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Posted By: Mark Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability bene - 18th Mar 2016 2:41pm
Pressure is mounting on George Osborne to rethink £4bn in cuts to disability benefits as a growing number of Tories express concerns about their impact.
Up to 640,000 people could have support for aids and appliances used for daily tasks either scaled back or removed.
One MP said Personal Independence Payments (PIP) were a "lifeline" while a minister said the policy was a "self-inflicted presentational problem".
George Osborne has insisted the "most vulnerable" will still be protected.
The chancellor said the overall disability budget "is going up" and ministers would be talking to colleagues and disability charities to "make sure we get this absolutely right".
'All over the place'
Labour said the cuts in support, announced last week and included in the Budget, were "shameful" and they would be forcing a vote in the House of Commons as soon as possible.
The government's slender majority means they could potentially block the plans with the support of Tory rebels and the SNP, which is also against the changes to Personal Independence Payments.

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Cameron, we are doing the right and proper thing looking after the most vulnerable in our society ( but only because we've been pushed into it) damage limitation, things are starting to unravel,Gideon has jumped the gun. smack
Yeh ! yipee Ian Duncan Smith has resigned

Best news this year...... clap
Let the mud slinging begin smile
Oh yes.

First the U turn and now this!!!!!! Made up grin
Originally Posted by granny
Yeh ! yipee Ian Duncan Smith has resigned

Best news this year...... clap


withthat
After reading his resignation letter I do not for one second believe that he has grown a heart!!

Eye on Leadership.
Virtual Facebook party going on. Not on pute so cannot copy and paste the link.

Just Facebook search 'Iain Duncan Smith Resignation party' to join the Fun
I think your right Rude, all is not as it appears, ulterior motives, strange things happen when thieves fall out, why leave things to the very last minute? he has presided over some of the most vicious attacks on the poor and disabled in modern history, and now decides he has a conscience and is doing right for the country, these people only think of themselves, more like the knives are out for self preservation.
Well if the welfare budget is to be brought under control,(and it HAS to be) then ANYONE who takes on that job , is going to be hated - its a poisoned chalice. Look what happened to Labour's Frank Field, and I believe he is-with the odd hiccup-- a basically a good genuine man)

Although I havent agreed with all that IDS has done , I do think he was genuinely wanting to make the system fairer. I believe wrong research information led him to make cuts in the wrong places , and frustratingly he couldnt touch pensions or child benefit to even things out. Not saying hes whiter than white but I dont think he's as bad as people think and I do believe he thinks Osbournes latest move is a cut too far.



IDS was revelling in being able to achieve the unachievable by making massive cuts in areas nobody feared tread, perhaps the reality of destroying lives has actually hit him, perhaps not. I doubt if we'll ever properly find out who was setting the targets:- IDS, Osbourne or Cameron.

An FOI request has gone through the appeals and finally is about to be released which will possibly show some of what went on over Universal Credit.

Its amazing that ONLY just over 200,000 people (Feb 2016) are actually on UC, it has not scaled up anywhere near the figures that we were led to believe. 80,000 in-work and 120,000 unemployed in round terms, so about 7% of the unemployed are on UC

Lord Ashcroft is having a thinly disguised poke at Cameron ...

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In history we had empires so emperors ruled. Then we had kingdoms so kings ruled. Now we are just a country...


While I'm on figures, there are about 2 million EU migrant workers and 1.2 million non-EU migrant workers so about 10% of our workforce are non UK citizens.
IDS is a liar. So to believe anything that comes forth from him, is very difficult.
He may be campaigning for Brexit, but he can go back to Scotland with the rest of them so far as I'm concerned. All he ever did was by default and as Leader of the Tories in 2001, he had no credentials worthy of the job.

He has lived off the back of his father ,mother and ancestors to move in big places and as he only spent 6 yrs in the army (we were once, led to believe it was almost a long career)the following would indicate that he never had much staying power for anything. Give up when the water gets too hot...so to speak.
I'm glad he has gone.

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Controversy over qualifications

According to the BBC, Duncan Smith's biography on the Conservative Party website and his entry in Who's Who originally stated that he had studied at the University of Perugia in Italy. A BBC investigation in 2002 found this statement to be untrue.[8] In response to the BBC story, Duncan Smith's office stated that he had in fact attended the Università per Stranieri, a different institution in Perugia, for a year.[8] He did not complete his course of study, sit exams, or gain any qualifications there. Duncan Smith's biography, on the Conservative Party website, also stated that he was "educated at Dunchurch College of Management" but his office later confirmed that he did not gain any qualifications there either, that he completed six separate courses lasting a few days each, adding up to about a month in total.[8] Dunchurch was the former staff college for GEC Marconi, for whom Duncan Smith worked in the 1980s




He sounds like the classic cuckoo in the nest granny, Insidious Duncan Smith
A the end of the day, we can't believe any thing.

As I watched the budget this week, and as George Osborn was giving his speech, the BBC clearly gave a view of Iain Duncan Smith, standing and watching Osborne as he delivered the budget.

However, IDS has told Andrew Marr this morning, that the picture was not of him on that day, as he wasn't even there for the budget, he was at a funeral !!

So, BBC are also VERY questionable with the reports and visual impacts they must falsely create for the benefit of their own spin. How disgusting, and we have to wonder how far they are responsible for so much aggravation in this country. It should be challenged at the highest level. We never seem to get the complete truth, only what media wish us to know and they twist our ability to form an honest opinion, even down to the live broadcasts !! How very clever of them.
I watched him on the Andrew Marr show. He came across as ok to me. Resigned for the right reasons and no sign of any hidden agenda.
Well he's not going to admit anything is he? almost to believable, I love my country and we need to look after everybody even the non Tory voters really laid it on with a ladle,even a little bit of how he has fought so that everyone is treated fairly boohoo if he really felt that way, why the last minute admission? wouldn't respond properly to AM when the brexit question was put to him, he became evasive.
Originally Posted by granny
As I watched the budget this week, and as George Osborn was giving his speech, the BBC clearly gave a view of Iain Duncan Smith, standing and watching Osborne as he delivered the budget.

However, IDS has told Andrew Marr this morning, that the picture was not of him on that day, as he wasn't even there for the budget, he was at a funeral !!


He wasn't there at the Budget, he might have been present at the follow up budget debates.



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Originally Posted by casper
Well he's not going to admit anything is he? almost to believable, I love my country and we need to look after everybody even the non Tory voters really laid it on with a ladle,even a little bit of how he has fought so that everyone is treated fairly boohoo if he really felt that way, why the last minute admission? wouldn't respond properly to AM when the brexit question was put to him, he became evasive.
Sickening to watch. Right wing paper reports are very interesting.
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Originally Posted by granny
As I watched the budget this week, and as George Osborn was giving his speech, the BBC clearly gave a view of Iain Duncan Smith, standing and watching Osborne as he delivered the budget.

However, IDS has told Andrew Marr this morning, that the picture was not of him on that day, as he wasn't even there for the budget, he was at a funeral !!


He wasn't there at the Budget, he might have been present at the follow up budget debates.



He was clearly shown during Osborne's budget speech,standing in position , arms folded , by the BBC live televised programme. which is the same picture that has been displayed in one of the newspapers. All I can say is that BBC did a brief fill in when they took the camera's off Osborne. I remember thinking to myself, 'well, he doesn't look happy about that '.
Originally Posted by granny
He was clearly shown during Osborne's budget speech,standing in position , arms folded , by the BBC live televised programme. which is the same picture that has been displayed in one of the newspapers. All I can say is that BBC did a brief fill in when they took the camera's off Osborne. I remember thinking to myself, 'well, he doesn't look happy about that '.


The Guardian used this picture which is from the previous July's budget speech.



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Have you spent all day trying to prove me wrong here DD ? I must have been on cannabis having psychotic episodes.
I too watched the Andrew Marr interview and thought IDS conducted himself well and his answers /explanations made sense to me .If hes lying through his teeth , then I would like him as my lawyer if ever I get in trouble lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sOhp5HObW8
Think a lot of us have worked in jobs and at some point had a rough deal--we plod on dutifuly for years till finally we do an IDS. He is probably just fed up of politics--as he said the final straw.
He was the one in 2013 who said he could live on £53 per week after housing costs. Not much compassion then !

I suppose he could if he had his army uniform and boots supplied,plus camp fire with burger and beans every day.

lamethrower
Originally Posted by granny
Have you spent all day trying to prove me wrong here DD ? I must have been on cannabis having psychotic episodes.


Quite the opposite, the media have been playing tricks by tying the wrong budget with the wrong pictures. Its a trick they often use.
Look out, George!

"Ross Hawkins, BBC political correspondent

George Osborne: chief tactician and patron, a man whose word makes or wrecks careers.

That was the view of many Tory MPs for a very long time. Now, many doubt he will ever be their leader, or even the chancellor much longer."
From detested right wing hatchet man, to socialist reformer/ hail fellow well met in one easy move, Cameron giving him support what a sterling chap, while putting the knife in ( he has presided over our welfare reforms over the past few years) we will carry on with reforms for the benefit of all one nation all in it together, stop it Dave! no one believes you any more, you and your mate thrown to the wolves by a caring socialist Tory, sounds like a plot from the Twilight Zone.
Noticed Gideon had Chicken Tonight? Lol
Originally Posted by casper
From detested right wing hatchet man, to socialist reformer/ hail fellow well met in one easy move, Cameron giving him support what a sterling chap, while putting the knife in ( he has presided over our welfare reforms over the past few years) we will carry on with reforms for the benefit of all one nation all in it together, stop it Dave! no one believes you any more, you and your mate thrown to the wolves by a caring socialist Tory, sounds like a plot from the Twilight Zone.


I can't how it can be as yet but this stinks of some sort of manipulative plot that they are all in on. I will wait for future announcements and then start putting the jigsaw together.
Surely not this compassionate Conservative Party! Cameron's words, not mine.
Originally Posted by palemoon
Surely not this compassionate Conservative Party! Cameron's words, not mine.
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And still no word on the billions we baled the banks out with!
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