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Posted By: Anonymous Facebook snubs MPs' calls to drop Raoul Moat page - 14th Jul 2010 8:25pm
Prime Minister David Cameron has said there should be no sympathy for "callous murderer" Raoul Moat.

Mr Cameron was speaking after flowers were left at the scene of Moat's death in Northumberland and messages of sympathy to him were left on Facebook.

Pc David Rathband, shot by Moat as he sat in a patrol car, has said he was now blind as a result of the attack.

But he told The Sun newspaper he would not let the incident ruin his life.





Moat is believed to have shot Samantha Stobbart, 22, and killed her boyfriend Chris Brown.

The gunman went on the run and apparently shot himself in Rothbury on Saturday.

Speaking during Prime Minister's Question Time, Mr Cameron said: "It is absolutely clear that Raoul Moat was a callous murderer, full stop, end of story.

"I cannot understand any wave, however small, of public sympathy for this man.

"There should be sympathy for his victims and the havoc he wreaked in that community.

"There should be no sympathy for him."

Conservative MP Chris Heaton-Harris asked him to contact Facebook requesting the RIP Raoul Moat group page, which has attracted more than 30,000 members, be taken down.

He described it as carrying a "whole host of anti-police statements".

Mr Cameron said he was making a "very good point".

But a spokeswoman for Facebook said the page would not be removed on the grounds the site encourages public debate about issues in the media.

She added: "Facebook is a place where people can express their views and discuss things in an open way as they can and do in many other places, and as such we sometimes find people discussing topics others may find distasteful, however that is not a reason in itself to stop a debate from happening.

"The site has measures in place which allow people to report any material they find offensive and each complaint would be investigated on an individual basis."

As well as tributes posted online, flowers and cards have been left outside Moat's home in Fenham, Newcastle, and at the scene of his death in Rothbury.

Meanwhile, Mr Rathband told The Sun newspaper about the moment Moat approached his patrol car, wielding a gun.

"He looked at me and I looked at him and he lifted the gun and discharged the weapon through my window.

"It was a noise I had never heard before but it was a noise that was so painful. My first assumption was it was the noise that was ripping my face off."

Mr Rathband said after a second shot was fired to his shoulder, emergency crews arrived at the scene.

He added: "I asked a paramedic to tell my wife that I loved her and to tell my children that I loved them.

"I knew I was going to die."

Northumbria Police have said they would not comment on the story in the newspaper but that Mr Rathband was interviewed as a victim of a crime, not as a police officer.

On Wednesday, police arrested three men on suspicion of assisting an offender.

A total of 13 people have now been arrested in connection with the Moat inquiry.

Four men and a woman held on suspicion of assisting an offender are currently on police bail.

Two other men have been charged with conspiracy to commit murder and possessing a firearm with intent.

The hunt for Moat began on 3 July after he was suspected of shooting Ms Stobbart and Mr Brown in Birtley, near Gateshead.

Pc Rathband was shot the following day in East Denton as he sat in his patrol car.

After a week on the run, Moat was discovered armed with a shotgun on the banks of the River Coquet at about 1900 BST on Friday.

Armed police cornered him and negotiators were brought in to speak to him.


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Seen this before on the news, the guys an idiot whos trying to score brownie points.
Everybodys entitled to their opinion. Tool snob
Everyone has a right to an opinion and Moat was a nutter and a piece of shit. not very often i would agree with Cameron but he has my full support on this one and would have the full support of the majority of decent people in this country. Thankfully there are still more decent people in this world than idiots.
in my opinon, once a person goes off on a gun rampage they have given up their right to live in a civilised society.

The first thing the police should do is take them out as soon as possible, none of this softly softly approach with mediators etc.

Bang....job done.

At least then WE the taxpayers dont have to fund a lifelong laidback lifestyle in prison. These scumbags get more spent on feeding and looking after them inside than most people can earn honestly !
Well, whilst the facebookers are at it, why not set up a sympathy page for Hitler, Hussain and Bin Laden [Linked Image]

....I guess there would still be nutters that would sign up for them as well though [Linked Image]
The only sympathy I can find for Raoul Moat is between shit and syphillis in the dictionary I'm afraid.
Originally Posted by Wench
The only sympathy I can find for Raoul Moat is between shit and syphillis in the dictionary I'm afraid.
withthat
Originally Posted by Wench
The only sympathy I can find for Raoul Moat is between shit and syphillis in the dictionary I'm afraid.



sick thats a quality post grin
withthat
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Facebook snubs MPs' calls to drop Raoul Moat page - 15th Jul 2010 3:38pm
Originally Posted by jabber
Originally Posted by Wench
The only sympathy I can find for Raoul Moat is between shit and syphillis in the dictionary I'm afraid.



sick thats a quality post grin



lmao!!! withthat love it. raftl
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Facebook snubs MPs' calls to drop Raoul Moat page - 15th Jul 2010 3:57pm
Moat Facebook tribute page removed




The controversial Facebook tribute page for killer Raoul Moat has been removed from the social network site.
The 'RIP Raoul Moat you Legend!' page on the popular internet site was taken offline by its creator, Siobhan O'Dowd.

The Facebook page had attracted over 30,000 supporters since it was set up but the US-based company had refused to remove it.

Ms O'Dowd confirmed she had taken the page down but did not rule out putting it back up.

Asked why she removed the page, she said: "I don't know really. A few of us came to a decision but it's going to be up again running.

"We don't condone what he did, as what he did was wrong.

I feel sorry for the families but he was still a human being at the end of the day."

Ms O'Dowd added: "He had problems and needed help and he didn't get any help."

Asked about the furore over the Facebook group, she said: "To be honest, I didn't think this would be the kind of reaction I would get.


"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Even Facebook said that and that's why they wouldn't shut it down."

The page had been condemned by Prime Minister David Cameron, who could not understand sympathy being expressed for Moat, whom he branded a "callous murderer".

But after a Downing Street official telephoned Facebook to raise Mr Cameron's concerns, the company put out a statement last night making clear it had no intention of removing the page.

A Facebook spokeswoman said: "Facebook will remove content that violates our terms when reported to us."

The page's creator, Ms O'Dowd, said she had not been threatened since creating the page.

"I cannot get threatened for having an opinion, surely?"


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Im sure it would have been another kettle of fish had it been Ms O'Dowds relative that had been shot!

A man like that doesnt deserve a tribute page....
I was thinking about this on Miseryrail on my way to work this morning.

There are times when I don't agree with people on WikiWirral and in my eyes, I sometimes think people spout uninformed shit.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions whatever they may be or how incorrect others may perceive them to be.

Check this:

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I'm glad they dropped his profile, it was glorifying his vicious deeds. I agree with a previous poster, he should have been shot on sight.
I have expressed my views on this in another thread and caused a bit of a stir last time so will try again.

For killing the man, shooting his ex and cowardly shooting a copper between the eyes then having another shot I am glad he is dead, it saves the government thousands upon thousands in keeping him locked up.

I have no sympathy for him at all after what he has done, my sympathies go to the parents of the man who died, his ex and the copper and his family.

I do however have sympathy for his friends and family as they had no control over any of this (unless they were shielding him).

Still dont see why we need an investigation costing thousands to find out what happened that night, the man had a gun and died, he chose that route, he had not flipped he was calculated, clever enough to hide for 7 days, clever enough to get food, was aware enough to leave messages and contact the police 50 minutes after shooting the copper so he could boast.

I would however have an investigation into why he was not monitored more after making the threats whilst inside and also why if he asked for help 12 months ago was that npot looked into more seriously.

Facebook, thats tricky, I cant really see a problem for a tribute page but it should be left at that, when people are using it to glorify what he done then it crosses a line in my moral compass.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Facebook snubs MPs' calls to drop Raoul - 17th Jul 2010 4:18am
The media are as bad as the plebs who wish to pay tribute to him on the Facebook page, or wish to portray him as a legend imho... So what the effin hell if there is a page on Facebook for him, it is the media who are sensationalising it, not the owner of the page, it is the media who are spreading the word etc... if they just kept their fkin gobs shut and didnt print it, then the guy would not have an army of a million followers all ready to pay tribute on the facebook page.

As far as im concerned, facebook is mainly full of shite, people "liking" anything and everything that comes along, whether it be good or bad, even when it contradicts something they supposedly stand for or "liked" earlier on! People seem to have no lives nowadays so they spend all day looking for things to like on facebook, this facebook page is in the media, so the usual media slaves will instantly like it, in the same way they do anything else the media sensationalises (look at how the media sensationalise these [censored] drugged up celebrities and then within hours, becuase they are in the papers, the brainless youth of today suddenly become their number one fans etc).

As for it being removed from facebook, leave it, if people want to be so sad/stupid to like things and join groups for crap like this, then so be it, each to their own, lets just hope they never become victim of the actions of the next moron like this.

I can't see what is wrong with paying tribute to these types of things on the internet, so long as it does not break any actual laws, where lie the problem? The internet is a place of freedom, and nobody is ever forced to look at these silly websites... I sell my web services to clients, I provide and manage the systems and infrastructure their web services run on and that is as far as it goes. They can do what the hell they want on it, so long as it is complies with the terms and conditions of service that they agree to when they sign up. If they want to create a website praising Moat or Hitler, then so be it, so long as it remains within the law of the land. I don't delve into what my clients are doing, and I don't expect Facebook to do so either - I take action when I am alerted to illegal contentor notice any processes on the backend that may be utilized for malicious means (spam or DoS etc), but everyone is entitled to their own opinion and their own views on life, so let them have it is my motto. In all likelyhood, there are probably websites and broadcasts etc that do not agree with my principles or ideology in life, utilizing my network, but so long as it is not illegal, they are free to do what the hell they want to.

Three threads on wikiwirral about Moat... obviously people on here enjoy talking about him, and this is the reason he is now a legend, a celebrity, because the people and the media are turning him into one. Should Mark now remove all traces of Moat threads on wiki to remove the legendary status of the guy on wiki? There were people off these forums raving and seemingly loving the whole moat scenario the other day on Facebook, but I doubt they see him as a legend or anything other than a cold-blooded murdered who deserved to be shot dead, they were just going along with the fanfare being generated by the media.

The media have a lot to answer for, and have to bear a lot of the blame for the broken society we live in today - even moreso maybe than the goverment, for both our social and financial troubles! The media should never be censored imho, but they should learn to be responsible - for instance they portray cheating in relationships as the thing to be seen doing, sensationalise and big-up celebrities when they cheat on each other constantly, print all the gory details and go on about it for months, and generally make out that cheating is simply a part of normal life, and then attack successive governments and the general public for the high levels of marriage breakdowns leading to single parent families etc. Just like they moan about the children of London carrying guns and gun crime, and then rave about the latest US gun-promoting "gangster" rap-artist single, telling their readers how great it is and they should buy it and listen to it!

And for the record, by media, I mean the "respected" organisations such as newspapers, magazines and television - not Facebook or Twitter.
Posted By: bert1 Re: Facebook snubs MPs' calls to drop Raoul - 17th Jul 2010 8:18am
I am not a member of Facebook, never have been and probably never will be, so i don't really know what goes on, on there, I'm surmising that if there was any nudity or child pornography submitted it would be removed immediately, because it would be the decent thing to do, apart from breaking any laws, and there must be loads of topics that would be removed that are not necessarily breaking any laws, but because its the decent thing to do. In my view its the decent thing to do, removing the thread on Moat. I sometimes wonder where common decency has gone, how can anyone in their right mind applaud anyone who has ruined so many lives. I doubt not one of those on Facebook would stand before his victims or victims families and proclaim Moat a legend then, and that's the problem with these forums, people will write stuff they wouldn't be prepared to say face to face, two faced sheep in my opinion with very little brain and no sense of the realities of life.
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