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Posted By: diggingdeeper Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 3rd Mar 2020 1:30pm
Hilbre High School has been closed because a parent has tested positive for Coronavirus and their child was in school yesterday.

https://www.hilbre.wirral.sch.uk/news/?pid=31&nid=1&storyid=103

Remember, if you are out in public places do not touch your face with your hands until you have washed/disinfected them.
Posted By: Excoriator Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 3rd Mar 2020 3:49pm
You ain't seen nuthin' yet. This is going to get really bad.

6% death rate in the UK is my guess. 4 million dead.

It will, however, reduce property prices.
Posted By: casper Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 3rd Mar 2020 7:35pm
Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
Hilbre High School has been closed because a parent has tested positive for Coronavirus and their child was in school yesterday.

https://www.hilbre.wirral.sch.uk/news/?pid=31&nid=1&storyid=103

Remember, if you are out in public places do not touch your face with your hands until you have washed/disinfected them.


Unless you are Boris, apparently he is still quite happy to shake hands. clap
Posted By: Excoriator Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 3rd Mar 2020 8:29pm
He sings 'Happy Birthday' twice though in the belief that will protect you.

I notice the disease is now being presented as an economic threat rather than a medical one at the moment with Carney and a grim faced Boris shocked at havinf 25% of the workforce at home!

I can't work out whether this is designed to allay panic or simply the usual tory policy of putting property and money before people.
Posted By: oldpm01 Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 3rd Mar 2020 10:16pm
Best medical opinion is that roughly 1% of those affected will die, primarily through other issues, eg pneumonia etc. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/coronavirus-covid-19-list-of-guidance

It is no worse than a regular round of seasonal flu

And it's not quite "loose" yet, maybe come back in May and we can see how many people affected then
Posted By: fish5133 Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 3rd Mar 2020 10:51pm
Oh joy..i was doing the school crossing there on Monday helping these poor infected kids to get safely across the road whilst they are passing it on to me !.....Back there tomorrow ..will be interesting to see how many of the primary school kids at Black Horse next to Hilbre school are wearing face masks.. Think i might wear my Darth Vader one
Posted By: Greenwood Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 4th Mar 2020 9:08am
People would pay good money to see Darth Vader on school crossing patrol, I reckon...
Posted By: casper Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 4th Mar 2020 9:47am
Originally Posted by Excoriator
He sings 'Happy Birthday' twice though in the belief that will protect you.

I notice the disease is now being presented as an economic threat rather than a medical one at the moment with Carney and a grim faced Boris shocked at havinf 25% of the workforce at home!

I can't work out whether this is designed to allay panic or simply the usual tory policy of putting property and money before people.


I see I'am not the only one to notice things wanting to be done on the cheap, it is without doubt the Tory arse squeeking at having to pay out, I noted the emphasise on voluntary this and that, and all of a sudden hospital is no longer required for isolation.
Posted By: Excoriator Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 4th Mar 2020 4:48pm
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Best medical opinion is that roughly 1% of those affected will die, primarily through other issues, eg pneumonia etc. https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/coronavirus-covid-19-list-of-guidance

It is no worse than a regular round of seasonal flu

And it's not quite "loose" yet, maybe come back in May and we can see how many people affected then


Difficult to find much that's correct about this post.

The WHO gave an initial estimate of 2% mortality rate about a month back. Subsequent events have shown it to be more like 6%. (See https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ which gives excellent up-to-date information, unlike our piss-poor government)

It is most definitely on the loose. The site I linked to shows a near-perfect exponential rise of cases outside China. As of now, there are 13,000 cases but it appears to be doubling every three days. In four weeks it will have reached 13 million.

6% of the UK population is about 4 million but given we have more than our fair share of old people I expect the death toll to be rather higher.

If you think that's no worse than 'flu then you are living in a very deluded state indeed. The Government should be doing what China - which seems to have contained it - did, and shut down cities completely. Now!

Unfortunately, being tories and stupid even by the low standards of that party, they seem to be more concerned about business and blissfully unaware or indifferent to the effect of losing four million people.

We have been extremely unfortunate to have a government which is manifestly inept at a time when we need a group who know what needs to be done and have the guts to do it. Expect a very bad time indeed in the UK over the next few months. I hope you survive it. At 77 myself I am not optimistic in my case.
Posted By: granny Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 5th Mar 2020 10:28am
Originally Posted by casper
Originally Posted by Excoriator
He sings 'Happy Birthday' twice though in the belief that will protect you.

I notice the disease is now being presented as an economic threat rather than a medical one at the moment with Carney and a grim faced Boris shocked at havinf 25% of the workforce at home!

I can't work out whether this is designed to allay panic or simply the usual tory policy of putting property and money before people.


I see I'am not the only one to notice things wanting to be done on the cheap, it is without doubt the Tory arse squeeking at having to pay out, I noted the emphasise on voluntary this and that, and all of a sudden hospital is no longer required for isolation.


They didn't know what they were dealing with initially, did they ? There won't be enough hospital places to quarantine everyone who steps back in the UK anyway .
A friend of mine has had to self quarantine for 14 days. We can do it ourselves, we're not babies.

Has anyone mentioned wearing a pair of gloves when we go out, just like my granny did to avoid hand to mouth germs. Money is also a big carrier of germs and viruses. Paper money can hold onto viruses such as flu, for 17 days.

Get your mittens out Casper.

ps. When you want to 'quote' another comment from someone. click on 'quote' at the bottom right .. in between Reply and Report, Next go down to the end of the 'quote' and after it says 'quote' write your response, then post but I think it can only be done with a maximum of a block of 3. It will tell you anyway when you post. Does it help ?
Posted By: GaryFromWirral Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 6th Mar 2020 4:11pm
simulation event 201 ..... Makes me wonder if those American's really think of everything .... eternal damnation and a red hot poker up the ....
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 6th Mar 2020 4:38pm
Originally Posted by GaryFromWirral
simulation event 201 ..... Makes me wonder if those American's really think of everything .... eternal damnation and a red hot poker up the ....


We have these sort of exercises in the UK as well. goes on all the time. Big reality check when its real life though. I can't see the Tory Government having kept adequate emergency equipment and supplies though - just enough for Downing Street probably.
Posted By: oldpm01 Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 6th Mar 2020 5:53pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ghsb/select-committees-live-coronavirus-committee

The Chief Medical Officer being interviewed - a good, balanced, scienced-based assessment - always a good perspective

The piece on statistics and likely mortality rates is around 9:33 in, total piece is 1hr 40 min so unless you have got time to kill I wouldn't recommend.

I do find it unfortunate that a valid opinion can't be expressed without attracting abuse.
Posted By: keef666 Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 6th Mar 2020 8:23pm
Funny i remember reading a story on the net around the beginning of November last year about someone in Thailand or Vietnam catching this new flu that had started, and thinking that's all we need! but i am in shock at this whole situation, yes we can have a laugh and a joke about it, take shots at the Tories, but if you have aged parents you could see them die this year if this thing spreads the way its doing, my mother is 92 and scared to death she might catch it, In one of my jobs we have an action plan to deep clean the area, if anyone becomes infected my boss doesn't know it yet but i won't be turning up that day! looks like chlorine and normal house hold detergent is what is used to deep clean, how they know this is beyond me?
So just want to wish everyone good luck hope we are still around this time next year?
Posted By: granny Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 6th Mar 2020 11:12pm
Good luck to you and your mum. I hope she gets through unscathed. I'm sure she will. I don't remember any such panic over SARS or Swine flu a few years back.... we just carried on as per normal.

I'm more worried about my blood pressure. 192/ 88 earlier today eek
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 7th Mar 2020 4:16am
Originally Posted by granny
I'm more worried about my blood pressure. 192/ 88 earlier today eek


I hope that is not after a rest?
Posted By: casper Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 7th Mar 2020 8:47am
Originally Posted by granny
Good luck to you and your mum. I hope she gets through unscathed. I'm sure she will. I don't remember any such panic over SARS or Swine flu a few years back.... we just carried on as per normal.

I'm more worried about my blood pressure. 192/ 88 earlier today eek


Have you been thinking about me granny smile
Posted By: granny Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 7th Mar 2020 12:13pm
Originally Posted by casper
Originally Posted by granny
Good luck to you and your mum. I hope she gets through unscathed. I'm sure she will. I don't remember any such panic over SARS or Swine flu a few years back.... we just carried on as per normal.

I'm more worried about my blood pressure. 192/ 88 earlier today eek


Have you been thinking about me granny smile


Of course, Casper. What else ? wink
Posted By: granny Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 9th Mar 2020 1:02am
Originally Posted by casper
Originally Posted by granny
Good luck to you and your mum. I hope she gets through unscathed. I'm sure she will. I don't remember any such panic over SARS or Swine flu a few years back.... we just carried on as per normal.

I'm more worried about my blood pressure. 192/ 88 earlier today eek


Have you been thinking about me granny smile



Realised that if I put the thing at the top of my arm, rather than the bottom , it works better. Phew.. I really thought it was your fault Casper. False alarm sweetie. Sorry, but I am 'fit' Casper . wink
Posted By: casper Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 9th Mar 2020 8:51am
Originally Posted by granny
Originally Posted by casper
Originally Posted by granny
Good luck to you and your mum. I hope she gets through unscathed. I'm sure she will. I don't remember any such panic over SARS or Swine flu a few years back.... we just carried on as per normal.

I'm more worried about my blood pressure. 192/ 88 earlier today eek


Have you been thinking about me granny smile



Realised that if I put the thing at the top of my arm, rather than the bottom , it works better. Phew.. I really thought it was your fault Casper. False alarm sweetie. Sorry, but I am 'fit' Casper . wink


Glad to hear it granny, take care, stay safe, and read the instructions / information first. smile
Posted By: Excoriator Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 9th Mar 2020 10:06am
For the best-detailed information on the spread of this disease I suggest looking at

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I was most interested to see the enormous coverage given to the situation in Italy on the TV news yesterday. The 73 new cases in the UK were hardly mentioned, although this constitutes a 30% increase in a single day, whereas the increase in Italy was lower at 25%. The figures are small, but what this means is that the disease is growing faster in the UK than in Italy.

I can't decide whether this playing down of the UK problem is a desire to prevent panic, lazy journalism, or a PR exercise to prevent the government from being blamed for their incompetence.

Whatever it is, we need to stop large sporting events and concerts immediately, look at travel restrictions, and consider the closure of schools. I feel sporting events 'behind closed doors' is likely to be ineffective as fans will gather in pubs to watch which is also undesirable. These are all unpalatable prospects, but China has cut their new cases to a trickle by using them. We will be forced to it eventually, anyway, and it is better to do these things too early than too late.

It is a sobering thought that a 30% daily increase would give us over three-quarters of a million patients in 30 days, starting from where we are now. We have about 170,000 hospital beds now after a decade of conservative cuts which cut the number from about 230,000 beds. I expect those for whome beds cannot be found will be told to go home and sing 'happy birthday' until they croak!
Posted By: Fidelio Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 9th Mar 2020 12:13pm
I’ve just seen this scrawled on a mucky white van. “ No toilet rolls kept in this van”.
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Coronavirus Loose on the Wirral - 9th Mar 2020 4:35pm
Originally Posted by Excoriator
I was most interested to see the enormous coverage given to the situation in Italy on the TV news yesterday. The 73 new cases in the UK were hardly mentioned, although this constitutes a 30% increase in a single day, whereas the increase in Italy was lower at 25%. The figures are small, but what this means is that the disease is growing faster in the UK than in Italy.


Most of those UK cases could well be people that returned from and were infected in Italy (or wherever), there have still been no figures for UK domestic infections. Until there are domestic infection figures available the UK rates are pretty meaningless in terms of how serious it is in the UK.
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