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Posted By: zippy44

travellers - 8th May 2017 6:38am

are now camped under m53 at b+q must have broken the lock top gain access to the area......looks like blocking cycle path and dog walking route
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 9:37am

There's been a load of camper vans parked at the west end of new Brighton prom for ages. Wondering if these are they.
Posted By: Habdab

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 12:13pm

I saw a load of caravans in the fenced area next to 'Wallasey Docks Links road North', near the Penny bridge, opposite the rowing club. The area used to be Rea's bulk handling and the caravans are parked where the three big cranes used to be, before Bidston Dock was filled in.
I wonder where they dispose of their rubbish and toilet waste?
Posted By: casper

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 12:47pm

[quote=Habdab]I saw a load of caravans in the fenced area next to 'Wallasey Docks Links road North', near the Penny bridge, opposite the rowing club. The area used to be Rea's bulk handling and the caravans are parked where the three big cranes used to be, before Bidston Dock was filled in.
I wonder where they dispose of their rubbish and toilet waste? [/quote

They will find the nearest and best suitable places, except the tip.
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 1:45pm

We have this happen every year, I find they move on quickly think they only use it as a stop off point. Doing no harm to anyone smile
Posted By: Dilly

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 4:00pm

Originally Posted by eddtheduck
We have this happen every year, I find they move on quickly think they only use it as a stop off point. Doing no harm to anyone smile


Doing no harm ?

Thieving low life ... !
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 5:13pm

Originally Posted by Dilly
Originally Posted by eddtheduck
We have this happen every year, I find they move on quickly think they only use it as a stop off point. Doing no harm to anyone smile


Doing no harm ?

Thieving low life ... !


any proof or was this just an assumption?
Posted By: Dilly

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 5:25pm

Yes Edd I have first hand experience of what they are like and what they are capable of !
Posted By: Habdab

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 9:08pm

I remember fishing Raddle wharf in Ellesmere Port with a friend who has since passed away. Two young travelers tried to rifle through his jacket pockets while he was concentrating on fishing. When I alerted him to what they were doing, they tried to push him into the water which was 18 feet deep. A week later, we were fishing in the canal by Carbon black and the travelers were camped on the opposite bank. As I was fishing, a bag full of soiled nappies sailed over the fence and landed in the water right where I was fishing.
So yes, I've had first hand experience.
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: travellers - 8th May 2017 10:48pm

there's bad people in every walk of life wink

I lived in Toxteth for 20 years and not once did I feel unsafe and the house was never robed
we moved over here 1996 because they were knock the street down, my sister lived here and was saying oh it so nice over here, the day we moved in behind the kingsland birkenhead the smack-heads was trying to get the stuff out the van, we moved out 6 weeks later to just off Poulton road where you can't open the window without the smell of weed and at dark the street walks are out with there one tooth raftl but that's nothing to the da da daaa Travellers raftl

Posted By: Dilly

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 5:47am

I think the smell of all that weed has got to you Edd smile
Posted By: zippy44

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 6:19am

who foots the clean up bill for these people who don't have any kind of self respect for themselves or the people they infliict their filth on
Posted By: Habdab

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 8:14am

We do
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 9:42am

Originally Posted by zippy44
who foots the clean up bill for these people who don't have any kind of self respect for themselves or the people they infliict their filth on
same people that pay for fly-tippers and the people who let dogs sh!t anywhere and drop dog-ends on the floor
Posted By: Gibbo

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 12:59pm

Travellers' caravans park up next to children's play area

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There were claims the Travellers were washing in the duck pond and hanging their clothes out to dry on the fences surrounding the play area.


http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/travellers-caravans-park-up-next-11891409

'Travellers' lay waste to road in Wavertree
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/travellers-lay-waste-road-wavertree-12747780

Travellers cause 'thousands of pounds' in damage to Northampton park
http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/n...-in-damage-to-northampton-park-1-7867795

Brentwood golf club trashed following disagreement with travellers
http://www.essexlive.news/brentwood...vellers/story-30220342-detail/story.html

Travellers cause 10,000 worth of damage to warehouse
http://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/new..._out_to_evict_travellers_from_warehouse/
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 1:51pm

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/wallasey-yobs-targeted-central-park-11956694 yobs in Wirral park

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/dozens-cars-damaged-wallasey-after-12845848 yobs damage dozens of Wirral cars

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/bus-attacked-wirral-yobs-continue-12176709 yobs attack bus on the Wirral
Posted By: granny

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 2:56pm


My only experience is when we lived in Suffolk. The travellers arrived. Their children went to the local primary school with our children. Aged about 6yrs plus and minus.
Light fingered little tykes, robbed all sorts of things before they left from school and other children who had befriended them.
Not something you should have to explain to a 6yrs old, that other children take stuff away from you even if they are your friend !
Obviously they had been instructed what to do and when to do it.
Can't blame the children then, but they will have grown to continue the craft.
Posted By: Dilly

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 3:13pm

They have there own laws and have no respect for any outside theirs. Edd your location says a happy place, well most of the rest of us live in the real world.
Posted By: eddtheduck

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 4:41pm

Originally Posted by Dilly
They have there own laws and have no respect for any outside theirs. Edd your location says a happy place, well most of the rest of us live in the real world.
dilly I'm just pointing out there's bad everywhere you go not just travellers.

When I was in school the teacher use to bounce the duster of my head, but I don't dislike every teacher now

When I was 19 I was mugged in London , I don't think everyone in london is a mugger

I've seen fly-tipping all over the uk doesn't mean it was travellers who did it.

Kids steal and I've seen people dump nappies over there garden walls

It's like saying everyone from eastern European countries are terrorists which is bull
Posted By: Dilly

Re: travellers - 9th May 2017 4:59pm

Edd I am aware that there are good and bad in all walks of life but I have yet to met a decent pikey !
Posted By: Gibbo

Re: travellers - 10th May 2017 1:45pm

And what kind of life is it for the women? Pulled out of school around aged 13 to clean and be a servant.

Interesting article about life here:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/25/truth-about-gypsy-traveller-life-women

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a study in Wrexham, cited in a paper by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, 2007, found that 61% of married English Gypsy women and 81% of Irish Travellers had experienced domestic abuse. And a significant number of those women who had reported the abuse appeared to have suffered more severe and sustained violence than those within mainstream communities.


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The women are three times more likely to miscarry or have a still-born child compared to the rest of the population, mainly, it is thought, as a result of reluctance to undergo routine gynaecological care, and infections linked to poor sanitation and lack of clean water. The rate of suicides among Traveller women is significantly higher than in the general population, and life expectancy is low for women and men, with one third of Travellers dying before the age of 59. And as many Traveller girls are taken out of education prior to secondary school to prevent them mixing with boys from other cultures, illiteracy rates are high.



Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: travellers - 10th May 2017 5:32pm

Originally Posted by Gibbo


https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/25/truth-about-gypsy-traveller-life-women

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a study in Wrexham, cited in a paper by the Equality and Human Rights Commission, 2007, found that 61% of married English Gypsy women ...... had experienced domestic abuse


About the same rate as the general population when surveyed. Around 1.4 million women a year suffer domestic abuse in the UK.


Posted By: zippy44

Re: travellers - 11th May 2017 7:58am

been moved on now but left place needing a clean why we have to fund it bugs me why don't we just fine them we have their details
Posted By: Gibbo

Re: travellers - 11th May 2017 10:23am

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper
About the same rate as the general population when surveyed.


Are you sure?

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Domestic abuse:

Will affect 1 in 4 women and 1 in 6 men in their lifetime


http://www.lwa.org.uk/understanding-abuse/statistics.htm
Posted By: diggingdeeper

Re: travellers - 11th May 2017 11:17am

The surveys kick up more figures than recorded abuse. It all depends what you call abuse.

We got a figure of about 80% when doing a survey of about 200 people, we ended up with a massive tick box list to try and isolate the type and severity of abuse but then got very few replies.
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