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Posted By: insanekitty Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 12:56pm
Has anyone seen this;

Muslim Pedo Demo Liverpool


Apparently it never happened because our wonderful BBC did not report it!
Change the 'muslim' to 'white British' and this would be on every news channel and all the front pages.

Makes me sick. Someone should ring up the BBC and ask why its not being reported.

Posted By: yewgarth Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 1:16pm
makes you proud to be British. Cowards the lot of em!!
Posted By: Softy_Southerner Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 1:20pm
Originally Posted by insanekitty

Makes me sick. Someone should ring up the BBC and ask why its not being reported.



I'll read a bit more when I get home.
What did they say when you rang?
Posted By: Handbag Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 1:43pm
Makes no difference what their ethnicity is... I couldnt care if they were purple with pink spots ... paedophiles are phaedophiles..
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 1:45pm
Originally Posted by Handbag
Makes no difference what their ethnicity is... I couldnt care if they were purple with pink spots ... paedophiles are phaedophiles..

Anything to incite racial hatred with some folk though.

wink
Posted By: yewgarth Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 1:46pm
yes but because they are Muslim Paedo's it's not in the public interest to report them on the news, after all we don't want to upset them do we?
Posted By: Sillymoo Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 2:10pm
Originally Posted by Handbag
Makes no difference what their ethnicity is... I couldnt care if they were purple with pink spots ... paedophiles are phaedophiles..

withthat

But i do agree something like this this be reported on the news
Posted By: AndyD Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 2:18pm
From what I understand the judge has put LOADS of reporting restrictions on the case so it can't be covered by the press/media until the case has finished
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 2:27pm
A further 8 have been arrested in the Shropshire Muslim Paedophile Ring which is another case that they are doing their damnedest to keep quiet.

These are racial crimes, the victims are intentionally of specific ethnicity.

As said earlier, if is was a white pedo ring picking on muslim girls it would be plastered everywhere.
Posted By: Moonstar Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 2:33pm
This was the Machester case in 2010. It would seem that the police are working on these cases but it must take time to gather all the necessary evidence. 30 years ago in Manchester it was evident that this was going on. Pity it has taken so long.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ell-clutches-gangs-forced-sex-slave.html
Posted By: ex0__ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 2:38pm
Lol'd at the source for this.

Why not post some more news from some of them shiny 'WHITE POWAH!' websites?

"150 Patriots" protesting, rofl.
Posted By: bert1 Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 2:50pm
If having reporting restrictions helps secure a conviction, that alone is a good enough reason for having them. We still also have innocent until proven guilty, if and when they are proven guilty, then the racists can have their feeding frenzy. why give them and any others on trial a chance of getting off on technicalities.
Posted By: Duxdeluxe Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 4:51pm
Thats assuming the 'source' of this info is telling the truth in the first place, me, Id rather believe the BBC than the European freedom Initiatve sic
Posted By: manic28_am Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 5:02pm
Merseyside EDL - "If you care about the future of your country and the safety of your children and future generations then get yourselves down to Liverpool Crown Court today from 0900 where over 40 Muslim paedophiles start trial."

- Would just like to point out that there is actually 11 men on trial, NOT 40! And apparently they are not all muslim. Open your eyes people! Don't believe the fascist propaganda. I do not support paedophiles in any way but I completely oppose fascists using this as an opportunity to tar all asians with the same brush. If this was a group of white paedophiles there would be no demonstration whatsoever. Solidarity with the anti-fascists today.
Posted By: insanekitty Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 5:36pm
Originally Posted by ex0__
Lol'd at the source for this.

Why not post some more news from some of them shiny 'WHITE POWAH!' websites?

"150 Patriots" protesting, rofl.


Try doing a search for this on the net and you wont find it on any web site, news site apart from the likes of the BNP etc.
At least they have the balls to report it unlike the BBC, ITV or SKY!

Its racist NOT to report it cos as I've said if if was a white British pedo group it would be out all over the place.
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 5:43pm
Originally Posted by insanekitty


Try doing a search for this on the net and you wont find it on any web site, news site apart from the likes of the BNP etc.
At least they have the balls to report it unlike the BBC, ITV or SKY!

Its racist NOT to report it cos as I've said if if was a white British pedo group it would be out all over the place.


there have been a couple of trials against bnp members, who's heard of them?

a lot of the time the media don't bother reporting on trials until they are finished.
as to kiddy fiddling cases most of them only make the local news, unless a child involved gets killed, if all trials hit the nationals then society would have to accept that kiddy fiddling goes on a hell of a lot more than it would like to admit.
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 5:59pm
I am a member of the EDL. This story is true it was in the Manchester news last year and that was last that we heard from it. We along with many other groups have been there since Monday protesting against them, and still no media coverage. The police gave the media a gagging order.

ex0 here you go. http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...o-stand-trial-over-child-sex-ring-claims

Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:03pm
Originally Posted by manic28_am

- Would just like to point out that there is actually 11 men on trial, NOT 40! And apparently they are not all muslim. Open your eyes people! Don't believe the fascist propaganda. I do not support paedophiles in any way but I completely oppose fascists using this as an opportunity to tar all asians with the same brush. If this was a group of white paedophiles there would be no demonstration whatsoever. Solidarity with the anti-fascists today.


The Fascists of the future will call themselves Anti-Fascists! Solidarity with Anti-Fascists who was outside court on the 6th supporting the Paedophiles up in court, you must be so proud.
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:05pm
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS
I am a member of the EDL...

...We along with many other groups have been there since Monday protesting against them,...



can i ask if you go to any other protests against paedophile gangs or just non whites?
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:12pm
People I know in the EDL have done yes. I have not been to no court cases as I know that the argument of it is only when its Muslims will come up. I prefer to just go and highlight Militant Islam in citys across the UK. As am not against the whole of Islam and these cases in my personal opinion should be left to the judges.

All pedophiles are a disgrace and deserved to be locked up and key thrown away no matter what religion or race they are from.
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:15pm
Chapter 64: The rules of court reporting

This is the first of three chapters on court and legal reporting. In this chapter we consider why it is important for court cases to be reported, and how to do it safely and properly. In the next chapter we look at how to write reports that are accurate, fair and interesting. In the final chapter we follow a legal case through from beginning to end.

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The justice system

It is vital that all people should have a fair trial, if they are accused of doing something wrong or injuring another person in some way.

People who have done nothing wrong should not be afraid that they will be punished if they are charged, perhaps by mistake, or if someone takes legal action against them in a civil case. They should be able to be confident that they will be cleared of the accusation. Otherwise, all people will live in fear of the law, instead of feeling that it is there to protect them.

A court is the place where society employs specially trained people to decide whether or not a person really did something wrong.

If a crime has been committed, then the police need to find the person responsible; but it is not the job of the police to punish that person. That is the job of the courts, and before they punish anyone they need to be convinced that the police have caught the right person - the person who actually committed the crime.

At a trial, the police or their lawyer present the evidence which makes them believe that the defendant is the guilty person, and the defendant (or their lawyer) presents evidence in an attempt to show that the police are wrong. When the court has heard all the evidence, the jury (if there is one) or the judge (if there is no jury) decides whether the defendant is guilty or not guilty.

In these chapters we tend to focus on criminal proceedings rather than on civil law. This is because criminal processes are generally simpler and more common in everyday society whereas civil proceedings are often very specialised, complicated and less common. But most of the principles behind covering criminal cases also apply to civil cases too.

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A fair trial

Because it is so important that everybody should have a fair trial, nothing which would be likely to interfere with a fair trial is allowed to happen. This means that journalists working in many legal systems – especially those of the Commonwealth - are not normally allowed to publish or broadcast certain things during court proceedings, from the moment that somebody is about to be charged with an offence up to the moment that the court finishes dealing with it.

Sub judice

From the time that somebody is about to be charged with an offence, up to the moment when the court finishes dealing with it, the case is said to be sub judice.

In practice, sub judice normally starts when a person is arrested, charged or a warrant is issued for their arrest and ends when the judge or jury gives a verdict. In civil cases, sub judice normally starts when legal papers are lodged with the court and ends with the court's decision.

Sub judice is a Latin phrase meaning "under judgment". It is pronounced “sub JOO-da-see”. While a case is sub judice, journalists are strictly limited as to what they can write. This is to make sure that they do not interfere with the job of the court in giving the defendant a fair trial.

We shall look in detail in a moment at what we are and what we are not allowed to write.

It is the job of the courts, and nobody else, to decide whether or not the person charged did in fact commit the crime. Nobody should be tried and convicted by crime reporters, in the columns of a newspaper or over the air waves.

Of course, it is also important to society that journalists (and other people) have the right to talk about things, and we shall talk more about that later in this chapter. But where two important rights clash, one has to be limited in the interests of the other.

For example, anyone has the right to drive from one town to another. However, because the people who live along the way have the right to walk safely around their homes, the speed at which you can drive may be limited. And because people driving the other way also have their rights, you may be limited to driving on only one side of the road.

In the same way, the right to talk about a crime is limited in order to protect the defendant's right to a fair trial.

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What can we report?

When a crime has been committed, reporters need to tell people about it. They may talk to people who saw the crime, or whose property was stolen or damaged, and quote the things those people have to say.

However, as soon as the police have caught someone they believe to be responsible for that crime, and are about to charge them with that offence, then reporters are limited in what they can say about the crime. You can report the fact that the crime happened, that someone is being charged and any facts about it which are not likely to be challenged in court. If a man has been charged with breaking into a store and stealing $500 in cash and goods worth $250, then we must report the fact that he has been charged. We may write:

A man has been charged with burglary, following the break-in at Cut-Price supermarket at the weekend.

Bruce Maupiti, 28, of Avarua, Rarotonga, has been charged with stealing $500 in cash and goods worth $250 from the store on the night of July 25.

It is important to note that we did not say that Maupiti actually committed the crime - that is not a fact. It is the job of the courts to decide whether or not he did it. All we said is that Maupiti has been charged with the crime - that is a fact - and that there was a break-in at the store at the weekend - that is also a fact.

Anything which reporters publish about the details of the crime or the suffering of the victims, after someone has been charged, could interfere with the court's job. If there is to be a jury, they could be influenced by what they read in the papers, or by what they hear in the news. If the sad stories of how the victims suffered continue to be published right up to the day of the trial, the jury may feel bitter and angry towards the accused person. This will make it difficult for him to have a fair trial.

Even in countries where there is no jury system, judges do not like cases being commented on, or background being published, until the case is finished.

So, from the time that someone is charged with a crime - or, more accurately, from the time when the police tell you that someone is about to be charged with a crime - the case is sub judice. From that moment on, until the court case is completed, you should write nothing about the crime except details which emerge while the court case is being conducted.

We will return later in this chapter to consider how this relates to defamation and privilege.

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Why report court cases?

The courts are there to act on behalf of ordinary people, so it is important that they carry out their business in public, for all to see.

It is a vital principle that Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done. In other words, courts have to do the right thing, and the public have to see and understand that they do so.

For that reason, any member of the public may attend any court case, except for certain minor exceptions, which we will come to later in the next chapter.

Reporters are members of the public, and so are the readers or listeners they represent. Reporters therefore have the right to attend court cases, and a duty to be there whenever possible on behalf of their readers and listeners who cannot be there.

Court reporters may be given a special place in the courtroom to sit, called a press gallery. Essentially, though, there is no difference between the court reporter and any other member of the public in the courtroom.

There are three main reasons why journalists report court cases: to encourage public confidence in the law, to help the law deter future crime, and to get strong news stories.

Public confidence in the law

If ordinary law-abiding people are to feel that their society is strong enough to protect them from criminals, then they have to have a system of law enforcement which they feel confident about.

That means that they have to trust the police to catch criminals; and they have to trust the courts to punish people who break the law, to release people who obey the law, and to know the difference between the two.

In other words, society has to believe that the police and the courts are effective, fair and consistent. Let us consider each of these.

Effective: The police must have the willingness and the ability to catch people when crimes have been committed, and to make sure that guilty people are punished.

Fair: The police have to question people because they believe they can help with inquiries, and arrest people only when there is reason to believe they have broken the law. If people believe that the police arrest anyone, without good reason, then they will have no confidence in the police.

Similarly, if the courts convict or acquit people just because they are pretty or ugly, rich or poor, or come from the same part of the country as the judge, then people will have no confidence in the courts. Only if the police and courts act fairly will society have confidence in them.

Consistent: If a judge last week sent a man to jail for three years for stealing $1,000, and this week he finds another man guilty of stealing $1,000, then society will expect the man to be sent to jail for three years as well. If there are other factors, of course, the sentence may be different - one man may have committed an offence for the first time, while the other has been jailed for stealing money before. But if the circumstances are more or less the same, society will expect the punishment to be more or less the same.

If the courts are not consistent, then it is unlikely that society can feel confident about the courts' ability to protect it properly.

Deterrence and publicity

Society needs journalists to attend court cases and to report exactly what happens there - who is accused of what, what evidence is brought for the prosecution and for the defence, what the court's decision is, and so on.

Society's confidence in the legal system depends upon people being informed about what is going on. That is part of the journalist's job, and it is a vital one. It is a job which needs to be done responsibly.

As we saw in the last chapter, one of the reasons for punishing people who break the law is to deter other people from doing the same thing.

It cannot possibly do this unless people know what punishment is handed out to law-breakers.

In some countries today (and in many countries in the past) murderers and other serious criminals are executed in public. Other criminals may be beaten in public. This is one way of letting society know the way in which law-breakers are punished, and this acts as a deterrent. However, most countries nowadays prefer to use newspapers, radio and television to let people know what happens to those who break the law.

Journalists have an important part to play in publicising the workings of the police and courts, so that society knows what happens to law-breakers. In this way society is helped to operate more smoothly.

If people believe that they can break the law and get away with it, they are more likely to break the law.

If people believe that the police and courts are so arbitrary that innocent people are as likely to be punished as guilty people, then they are more likely to break the law. After all, if you are going to be punished anyway, you might as well enjoy the benefits of the crime.

Only if people believe that law-abiding people are defended by the law, and law-breakers punished, will they be encouraged to live by the law. So the smooth running of society depends partly on people being informed about what happens in courts.

Strong stories

There is another very good reason why newspapers and broadcasting stations send reporters to court, as well as the social duty they perform. There are hundreds of very interesting news stories there.

Almost every case to come before the courts is full of human drama. There are murders and rapes and assaults, thefts and burglaries and robberies, broken promises, land disputes and broken contracts. Every one of these, written the right way, can give an interesting news story at the same time as informing the public about the workings of the courts.

Every editor should think very seriously about having one reporter permanently in the courts, if they have enough staff.

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Defamation & privilege

We have seen that it is in the interests of society that everything which goes on in court is reported - the charges, the name of the defendant and all the evidence, as well as the verdict and sentence.

However, as we shall see in Chapter 69, there is an offence called defamation (or libel in some countries), which stops people saying untrue things about other people which will damage their reputations. Is this not a worry to the court reporter?

Suppose a court reporter has taken down all that the prosecuting lawyer had to say, and all that the prosecution witnesses had to say about the defendant; and suppose the court reporter has done her job and written a report which has been published. It is likely that it will all be damaging to the defendant's reputation.

Now suppose that, at the end of the trial, the defendant is acquitted - that is, he is found not guilty. Can he now sue the prosecution lawyer and all the witnesses for defamation? Can he sue the reporter for defamation? After all, what was said and written was damaging to his reputation, and it can now be seen that it was not true.

The answer, of course, is that he cannot sue them for defamation. If he could, then it would be impossible for the courts to do their job. To allow the courts to do their job, anything that is said in court as part of a hearing is protected by privilege, and that is dealt with in detail in Chapter 67: Privilege.

The good news for court reporters, though, is that privilege protects more than the lawyers and witnesses. It also protects a news report of court proceedings, as long as it is fair, accurate and not malicious. In many legal systems, this special protection for reporting cases is called qualified privilege, because it has some conditions or qualifications. We shall deal in a moment with what each of these means.

It is interesting to note that privilege is the court reporter's best friend. The limitations placed on what we can report by a case being sub judice may seem like a difficulty; the risk of defamation may seem frightening; but privilege puts everything back into balance.

The court reporter may have to wait to tell the full story, but when the time comes it can all be reported fully, without any fear of defamation.

Let us look now at the three conditions a report must meet in order to be protected by qualified privilege.

It must be fair

If evidence has been given by both prosecution and defence, the report must contain both sides. It is not necessary to report every word that was said, but the overall balance of the court case must be retained in the report. For example, if the prosecution case took twice as long as the defence case, you could fairly devote two-thirds of your report to the prosecution evidence and only one-third to the defence evidence.

It is essential that a newspaper or broadcasting station which starts to report a court case, continues to do so every day until it is finished. Otherwise the report of the case as a whole cannot be fair, and it will then lose the protection of privilege.

It must be accurate

It is essential that court reporters do not make mistakes. What the witness says may be quoted, but it must be an accurate quote. Court reporters need good shorthand.

Any significant inaccuracy will leave the whole of a report unprotected by privilege.

It must not be actuated by malice

If the reason you publish or broadcast a court report is to do harm to the defendant - that is, you are being malicious - then you can lose the protection of privilege.

This is not something which you need to worry about very often. You will report court cases on their merits, day after day and week after week. You will report them for the reasons we have already discussed - to inform readers or listeners about what is happening in courts. There will not normally be any malice towards anybody involved in any case.

The only time a problem might arise would be if the defendant is a known enemy of you or the owner or editor of the newspaper, radio or television station. In this case, you must be very careful to treat the case in the same way you would treat any other similar case. If you publish every word of prosecution evidence, on page one, and the person is later acquitted, he may try to sue you for defamation. If he can show that the way the case was reported was actuated by malice, you will lose the defence of privilege.

Contemporaneous reporting of a court case

Contemporaneous is a long word, but it means the next issue of the newspaper or the next news bulletin.

In some legal systems, such as Britain, as long as you publish or broadcast a court report contemporaneously, you will have a special kind of protection from privilege (called absolute privilege). In this case, your report only has to be fair and accurate; it does not matter whether or not it was actuated by malice.

For a daily morning newspaper, a court report is privileged in this way if it is published in the next morning's issue.

For a daily evening newspaper, it must be published in the same day's issue, unless the hearing finished too late, in which case it must appear in the next day's issue.

For a weekly newspaper, it must appear in the next issue.

For radio or television, the report is privileged in this way if it is used on any bulletin up to the start of the next day's hearing. It can be used on the evening bulletin, and again next morning, but not after that.

We shall return to consider the different kinds of privilege in more detail, in Chapter 67.

Sub judice illustrated

To help you understand how sub judice applies during legal processes, see this Sub judice Chart. It illustrates how sub judice, defamation and privilege work at different stages in legal processes. While sub judice restricts what else you can report about the legal process, fair and accurate reports of the proceedings themselves are protected from defamation by privilege.

TO SUMMARISE:

Courts are usually open to the public; journalists are free to report what goes on there.

Reports are protected against defamation, as long as they are:

Fair
Accurate
Without malice
Posted By: ex0__ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:19pm
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS


I was being sarcastic.

I find it ironic that racist groups like the EDL are protesting paedophilia. Though let's face it, they are protesting brown people. The fact that the case just happens to be about child pornography is just icing on the cake because whenever cp/child sex is brought up normally sensible adults turn into simpletons and all common sense goes out the window.
Posted By: ex0__ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:21pm
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS
British Cyber Force


Just wanted to let you know I got big laughs from that sig as well.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/British-Cyber-Force/125805940851208?sk=info

Good luck with that 'hacking' you plan to do in the future that'll take the intertubes by storm. /rollseyes.
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:23pm
Originally Posted by ex0__
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS


I was being sarcastic.

I find it ironic that racist groups like the EDL are protesting paedophilia. Though let's face it, they are protesting brown people. The fact that the case just happens to be about child pornography is just icing on the cake because whenever cp/child sex is brought up normally sensible adults turn into simpletons and all common sense goes out the window.


No we are not protesting against Brown people. Islam has Whites, Browns, and Blacks. Also as for racist groups like the EDL. Lol we are against Islam you tell me please what RACE is Islam? You ever thought of becoming a comedian?
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:26pm
Originally Posted by ex0__
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS
British Cyber Force


Just wanted to let you know I got big laughs from that sig as well.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/British-Cyber-Force/125805940851208?sk=info

Good luck with that 'hacking' you plan to do in the future that'll take the intertubes by storm. /rollseyes.


Says someone from Anonymous who tried to hack me and British Cyber Force and got destroyed. Ha I laugh at Anonymous a bunch of people who think they are hackers yet all they know is scripts so I prefer to call Anonymous as "Script Kiddies" Who just by the way are looked down on by the real hackers.

Anyway lets not go off topic.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:31pm
Don't bother giving these racists and fascists the time of day ex0, that's exactly what they hope to achieve with this propaganda, and by doing so, you're playing into their hands.

Over half a million British and Commonwealth citizens, gave their lives to fight against these type of ..., in World War II.

There is no place in civilised society for Islamic Extremism "or" Aryan fascist, racist and supremacist groups, period.
Posted By: EnglishPatriot Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:31pm
[youtube]hUxr7mV-M78[/youtube]

this was video outside the court
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:35pm
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Don't bother giving these racists and fascists the time of day ex0, that's exactly what they hope to achieve with this propaganda, and by doing so, you're playing into their hands.

Over half a million British and Commonwealth citizens, gave their lives to fight against these type of ..., in World War II.

There is no place in society for Islamic Extremism "or" Aryan fascist, racist and supremacist groups, period.


I take it you referring to us as Nazi's. Not heard that one before honestly. Ha you just as laughable as the rest and people wonder why this country is going down the drain. So we are Nazi's when we have Ex and serving Armed Forces in the EDL. We have beat the hell out of Nazi's before when they have shown their heads at a demo. Oh and go read up a bit and you will see Islam has the most in common with the Nazi regime. If your capable of taking the evidence in and not just laughing at it and then sticking yer head back into the sand.
Posted By: EnglishPatriot Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:38pm
I agree with you Islam is trying to wipe out the Jews for some reason they hate them, and there is a lot of common ground between the Nazi's and Islam both want/wanted world domination eyes need to be opend to the british public
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:38pm
Originally Posted by mrhanky
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS
I am a member of the EDL...

...We along with many other groups have been there since Monday protesting against them,...



can i ask if you go to any other protests against paedophile gangs or just non whites?



Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS
People I know in the EDL have done yes. I have not been to no court cases as I know that the argument of it is only when its Muslims will come up. I prefer to just go and highlight Militant Islam in citys across the UK. As am not against the whole of Islam and these cases in my personal opinion should be left to the judges.

All pedophiles are a disgrace and deserved to be locked up and key thrown away no matter what religion or race they are from.


so that's a no then.

isn't richard price on the sex offenders register for making indecent images of kids?

Posted By: Anonymous Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:39pm
Is hatred aloud on here think
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:40pm
Originally Posted by EnglishPatriot
I agree with you Islam is trying to wipe out the Jews for some reason they hate them, and there is a lot of common ground between the Nazi's and Islam both want/wanted world domination eyes need to be opend to the british public


Yep sooner the better. Or else what our forefathers fought for keeping Britain free will all be lost when we get took over by the modern day Nazi's known as Islam.
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:41pm
Originally Posted by mrhanky
Originally Posted by mrhanky
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS
I am a member of the EDL...

...We along with many other groups have been there since Monday protesting against them,...



can i ask if you go to any other protests against paedophile gangs or just non whites?



Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS
People I know in the EDL have done yes. I have not been to no court cases as I know that the argument of it is only when its Muslims will come up. I prefer to just go and highlight Militant Islam in citys across the UK. As am not against the whole of Islam and these cases in my personal opinion should be left to the judges.

All pedophiles are a disgrace and deserved to be locked up and key thrown away no matter what religion or race they are from.


so that's a no then.

isn't richard price on the sex offenders register for making indecent images of kids?



Yes He is and admittedly he was a leading member of the EDL but he is no longer wanted nor welcome in the EDL because of what he has done.
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:46pm
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS

Yes He is and admittedly he was a leading member of the EDL but he is no longer wanted nor welcome in the EDL because of what he has done.


wasn't there a bert (?) moses as well? seem to remember him pretending to be a child and going to the states/canada to abuse a child he's spoken to on the net?
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:49pm
sorry, just looked, it was brett moses, not bert.

found another one as well...john snowy shaw.
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:50pm
Originally Posted by mrhanky
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS

Yes He is and admittedly he was a leading member of the EDL but he is no longer wanted nor welcome in the EDL because of what he has done.


wasn't there a bert (?) moses as well? seem to remember him pretending to be a child and going to the states/canada to abuse a child he's spoken to on the net?


Yes but whether he was EDL or not is still questionable because everyone I have spoke to do not remember him in the EDL. But we did spread the news article everywhere and told anyone who knew him to cut ties with the person in question.
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:51pm
Yes Snowy. He is not a paedophile. But he was far right and that is why he got kicked out the EDL and now part of a movement called North West Infidel NWI
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:52pm
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS


Yes but whether he was EDL or not is still questionable because everyone I have spoke to do not remember him in the EDL. But we did spread the news article everywhere and told anyone who knew him to cut ties with the person in question.


people tend to do that when someone says 'remember so and so the one who got done for kiddy fiddling'

i take it no one remembers john snowy shaw who ended up with the north west infidels?
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 6:54pm
Originally Posted by mrhanky
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS


Yes but whether he was EDL or not is still questionable because everyone I have spoke to do not remember him in the EDL. But we did spread the news article everywhere and told anyone who knew him to cut ties with the person in question.


people tend to do that when someone says 'remember so and so the one who got done for kiddy fiddling'

Yes I remember Snowy very hard not to with all trouble he caused in EDL

i take it no one remembers john snowy shaw who ended up with the north west infidels?
Posted By: Mark Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 7:47pm
wikiopinion

Keep this as a debate and not personal or i will have no choice but to close this topic. Keep the debate healthy.
Posted By: Vanmanone Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 8:25pm

HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR 2030


Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world "Little India " formerly known as Australia.

Jersey executes last remaining Greenie.

White minorities still trying to have English recognised as UK's third language.

Children from two-parent heterosexual families bullied in schools for being 'different'. Tolerance urged.

Gay marriages now overtake heterosexual marriages as preferred 'lifestyle' choice.

Manchester schoolgirl expelled for not wearing Burqa: Being a Christian is no excuse says school. Sharia law must be enforced.

Japan announces that they will no longer consume whale meat as whales are now extinct and the scientific research fleet are unemployed. UK Government has told the Japanese that grey squirrels taste like whale meat.

Britain now has ten Universities of Political Correctness. Professor Goldman of LSPC says there is still a long way to go in the fight to stop people saying what they think.

Britain 's deficit £10 trillion and rising. Government declares return to surplus in 100 years which is 300 years ahead of time. Prime Minister Mohammed Yousuf claims increased growth through more immigration is the secret to success.

Wall Street banks merge to form new super bank, Goldman Rothschild Ebeneezer Epstein Drescher (GREED): huge bonuses paid to executives to celebrate launch.

Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped.

Castro finally dies at age 112. Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.

Post Office raises price of stamps to £18 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only.

After a 10-year £75.8 billion study, commissioned by the Labour Party, scientists prove diet and exercise is the key to weight loss.

Average weight of a British male drops to 18 stone.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights. Victims to be held partly responsible for crime.

New law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2035 as lethal weapons.

Inland Revenue sets lowest tax rate in decades at 75 per cent.

Bradford won this year’s FA Cup Final beating the Hindu Hornets.
Posted By: insanekitty Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 9:10pm
^^^^^ Thats funny but somewhat going to be true ^^^^^^
Posted By: Wench Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 9:32pm
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS

So we are Nazi's when we have Ex and serving Armed Forces in the EDL.


The Ministry Of Defence has forbidden serving forces personnel from attending EDL demonstrations, and engaging in EDL activities.

Queen’s Regulations for the Army 1975 (Amendment No 26).

J5.581.
a. Regular Service personnel are not to take any active part in the affairs of any political organisation, party or movement. They are not to participate in political marches or demonstrations.

Membership of the likes of the EDL is totally incompatible with life in the Armed Forces. The British Soldiers' Standards & Values, for example, includes, amongst others, respect for others! It's the likes of the BNP & EDL that the Armed Forces are fighting against. Extremism on opposite sides of the spectrum!

Were you guys not shot down vehemently enough on a certain Armed Forces website!?! Unfortunately, I can't be as vociferous on here as I am on there as it's not that kind of site, plus I'm a Mod.

Considering your group say they look after their members, why is it then that several current serving members of the Armed Forces were "outed", resulting in career suicide, by some of your other members? They knew what the outcome would be if they did it, yet they still did it!! That's not what I'd class as "looking out for your own".

I'm English and proud, but EDL - not in my name thank you!!

Posted By: Littlebear Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 9:41pm
ProudInfideINS/EnglishPatriot, I pity the fact you are filled with hatred for something you're too scared to immerse yourself in (researching not paedophilia lol wink laugh ).
The amount of cliches you recite about 'the country going down the drain' because of liberals/socialists, etc are hilarious.

Quote
I agree with you Islam is trying to wipe out the Jews for some reason they hate them, and there is a lot of common ground between the Nazi's and Islam both want/wanted world domination eyes need to be opend to the british public


You need to open your eyes and realise there isn't a single country that wouldn't like world domination - that's why there are wars. The fact that nobody has come close since World War 2, suggests that the majority of people are actually peaceful and just want to get on with things?
Have you ever thought of just chilling out and just accepting it, it must make you anxious being so paranoid all the time? Apart from maybe your son/daughter marrying a foreigner, there's nothing to be afraid of. Muslims account for 3.3% of the population, never exceeding 20% in any area of the country. Have you seen some of the Mosques in Birkenhead? They're run down buildings that make no statement of the fact.
etc

Originally Posted by Wench
Originally Posted by ProudInfidelNS

So we are Nazi's when we have Ex and serving Armed Forces in the EDL.


The Ministry Of Defence has forbidden serving forces personnel from attending EDL demonstrations, and engaging in EDL activities.



grin
Posted By: paxvobiscum Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 9:59pm
you tell me please what RACE is Islam? You ever thought of becoming a comedian?[/quote]

There is only one Race-The Human Race.Ethnicity is the correct terminology.
Posted By: Touchstone Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 10th Feb 2012 10:09pm
Originally Posted by paxvobiscum
you tell me please what RACE is Islam? You ever thought of becoming a comedian?


There is only one Race-The Human Race.Ethnicity is the correct terminology. [/quote]

Very true. There isn't enough diversity in our DNA to have different subspecies/races of Human. The genetic differences are miniscule.
Posted By: _Moretonlad_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 11th Feb 2012 12:01am
Ok well, am sure we can all agree on one thing... We all have different views and that is whats great about Freedom. I just hope that if something comes up which challenges our freedom people get up and do something about it.
Posted By: dave_h Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 11th Feb 2012 12:19pm
shouldnt this topic be focusing on the fact there was dirty peados getting trailled, and that we should all be agreeing they should be tied to a post and burnt? and not spend pages dripping about how much melanin is in skin
Posted By: jaki1 Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 11th Feb 2012 12:23pm
couldnt agree more dave
Posted By: BandyCoot Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 11th Feb 2012 12:29pm
Read up on Ray Hunniford who has just died. Enlightening.
Posted By: BandyCoot Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 11th Feb 2012 1:37pm
Originally Posted by BandyCoot
Read up on Ray Hunniford who has just died. Enlightening.



Sorry folks, mis-spelt the name, it's Ray Honeyford.
oldman
Posted By: mgbsheep Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 21st Feb 2012 10:31pm
of course the first mosque in the country was in Liverpool and we know what a hotbed of islamist fundamentalism it is now...

erm...

yes we have problems with too much being done to 'support' people who don't do enough to support themselves and it's difficult to make any comment which can in someway be taken as racist, non-PC.

there are important issues out there which need proper discussion but we have too many people stir up all sorts of problems with scaremongering about things like in 2030 Gay marriage will be the norm... (well that's fine. I'm not gay but if I'm in the minority that doesn't bother me.. who cares.) anyway, back to the point. and too many, at both ends of the spectrum, who feel their way is the only way when we all know my way is the only way... ;-)
Posted By: AR_One Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 21st Feb 2012 11:20pm
withthat
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 22nd Feb 2012 12:17am
"Peado Grooming Ring" would have been 'enough' to articulate what this thread is about??? I don't see why a paedo's religion is relevent?? They all need shooting at point blank range , in the central mass, regardless.
Posted By: RUDEBOX Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 22nd Feb 2012 12:19am
*Paeds, obvs
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 22nd Feb 2012 12:52am
Originally Posted by mgbsheep
of course the first mosque in the country was in Liverpool


Local urban myth - the first Mosque to open in the country was the Shah Jahan Mosque in Woking opened in 1889 just before the Al-Rahma Mosque in Liverpool which didn't open until the Christmas of that year.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 22nd Feb 2012 1:18am
What has gay marriage got to do with Muslim Paedophiles?

think
Posted By: BandyCoot Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 22nd Feb 2012 12:20pm
Wonder why there is one who they can't name. Strange.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 22nd Feb 2012 1:43pm
Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
"Peado Grooming Ring" would have been 'enough' to articulate what this thread is about??? I don't see why a paedo's religion is relevent?? They all need shooting at point blank range , in the central mass, regardless.


withthat
Posted By: mgbsheep Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 23rd Feb 2012 7:43am
I stand corrected...
Posted By: lemonhead Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 25th Feb 2012 10:49am
Originally Posted by dave_h
shouldnt this topic be focusing on the fact there was dirty peados getting trailled, and that we should all be agreeing they should be tied to a post and burnt? and not spend pages dripping about how much melanin is in skin


dont waste our taxes by putting them up in a hotel(prison) with 3 hot meals a day there own shower and tv, hang them job done, think of them poor kids

sick barstard
Posted By: Katryn Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 26th Feb 2012 11:34pm
do EDL protest when they hear about 'White pedo's'
Posted By: carbooter Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 27th Feb 2012 8:53am
Have I missed something here have these pedos. been convicted or are they just charged with a crime that has yet to be proven not trying to stir or anything but isnt everyone innocent until proved guilty.if they are found to be guilty they should be locked way for good just the same as any other white black catholic protetstant labour or conservative person should but hang on..are they guilty yet are we prejudging just because they are of a different culture
Posted By: Katryn Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 28th Feb 2012 5:49pm
Originally Posted by carbooter
Have I missed something here have these pedos. been convicted or are they just charged with a crime that has yet to be proven not trying to stir or anything but isnt everyone innocent until proved guilty.if they are found to be guilty they should be locked way for good just the same as any other white black catholic protetstant labour or conservative person should but hang on..are they guilty yet are we prejudging just because they are of a different culture


withthat
Posted By: Katryn Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 18th Mar 2012 9:33pm
Hows this then for so called police fighting crime!!

Bumped into community police officer other day asked them had they passed on info to sex offenders unit about a sex offender having a child being taken into his property before christmas and got told oh the person who shared this info needs to contact us.
Now the pedo his wife and friends are often round town with this child in a pram very blatant aven though his conditions are he isnt meant to be around children and then some person tells me that this child is being taken into the house.
And the community police officer hasnt informed the sex offenders unit even though she has my contact details that they could of contacted me on!
Oh and the reason i know this person is a pedo is because myself and my family used to live next door to him and his wife and we had to move ourselves out of property.
Posted By: ex0__ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 18th Mar 2012 9:36pm
Originally Posted by Kathryn
Hows this then for so called police fighting crime!!

Bumped into community police officer other day asked them had they passed on info to sex offenders unit about a sex offender having a child being taken into his property before christmas and got told oh the person who shared this info needs to contact us.
Now the pedo his wife and friends are often round town with this child in a pram very blatant aven though his conditions are he isnt meant to be around children and then some person tells me that this child is being taken into the house.
And the community police officer hasnt informed the sex offenders unit even though she has my contact details that they could of contacted me on!
Oh and the reason i know this person is a pedo is because myself and my family used to live next door to him and his wife and we had to move ourselves out of property.


Just .. wow.
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 18th Mar 2012 10:41pm
ring the fciu in bebington, they should be able to deal with it 777 2620
Posted By: Katryn Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 8:26am
will do thanks.
Posted By: Katryn Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 8:26am
Originally Posted by ex0__
Originally Posted by Kathryn
Hows this then for so called police fighting crime!!

Bumped into community police officer other day asked them had they passed on info to sex offenders unit about a sex offender having a child being taken into his property before christmas and got told oh the person who shared this info needs to contact us.
Now the pedo his wife and friends are often round town with this child in a pram very blatant aven though his conditions are he isnt meant to be around children and then some person tells me that this child is being taken into the house.
And the community police officer hasnt informed the sex offenders unit even though she has my contact details that they could of contacted me on!
Oh and the reason i know this person is a pedo is because myself and my family used to live next door to him and his wife and we had to move ourselves out of property.


Just .. wow.


??
Posted By: ex0__ Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 8:30am
There's so much bullshit in that post I'm not sure how to even begin addressing it.
Posted By: Touchstone Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 9:08am
Originally Posted by ex0__
There's so much bullshit in that post I'm not sure how to even begin addressing it.


Please do! It needs doing. That post was quite possible the most ridiculous ever posted on this site.
Posted By: Katryn Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 3:36pm
oh ok so you dont believe me even though i posted about this a while ago ok believe what you like i know it is true.
My son was being groomed by the sex offender before we were notified by the sex offenders unit/social services and told to cease contact because of his sex offences he had comitted years earlier, we had to move ourselves as housing wouldnt move us.
His wife looks after the young child in a pram walks round town with her friends and has been seen by someone from the street who told me they are taking this young child into the house.

I am the woman in this story>>
He and his wife were babysitting as we knew nothing of his history.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk...phile-caught-babysitting-64375-20536436/
So i said i would pass on the info the community police officer wrote it in her note boopk but nothing came of it till last week i bumped into the officer who said that the person who told me had to notify the police even though it is a very serious offence being comitted as this guy has to regulary sign the sex offenders unit.
Posted By: pokerchamp Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 4:33pm
think a couple of people owe katryn an apology!!!
Posted By: granny Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 4:49pm
Originally Posted by Katryn
oh ok so you dont believe me even though i posted about this a while ago ok believe what you like i know it is true.
My son was being groomed by the sex offender before we were notified by the sex offenders unit/social services and told to cease contact because of his sex offences he had comitted years earlier, we had to move ourselves as housing wouldnt move us.
His wife looks after the young child in a pram walks round town with her friends and has been seen by someone from the street who told me they are taking this young child into the house.

I am the woman in this story>>
He and his wife were babysitting as we knew nothing of his history.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk...phile-caught-babysitting-64375-20536436/
So i said i would pass on the info the community police officer wrote it in her note boopk but nothing came of it till last week i bumped into the officer who said that the person who told me had to notify the police even though it is a very serious offence being comitted as this guy has to regulary sign the sex offenders unit.


Hi Katryn, It sounds pretty serious. If you contact all groups that could relate in anyway to this situation, then it should put the authorities on alert. If they are child minding they should have correct qualifications etc. If they claim benefits and getting paid for child minding, it would be looked into. Local welfare group, or local health visitors.Unfortunately, we are not in a position to just shirk this sort of thing off, that is highly disgraceful if anyone should do so. Maybe visit your local GP, they may be able to help in some way.
To even argue the authentisity of the situation is beyond words and normality.
If one child is saved from poking ones nose in...it has to be worth every bit of it.

Posted By: Katryn Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 6:24pm
Thanks to Mr Hanky i have left further details with fciu in bebington.
Posted By: mrhanky Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 19th Mar 2012 6:40pm
glad to help smile
Posted By: Jubbly Re: Muslim Pedo grooming ring - 23rd Apr 2012 10:24am
Oh...6 pages of discussion actually turned out to be 2 pages repeated twice over.

That's one hell of a glitch.
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