Taken from another site:

We strapped our Datron Microsat timing equipment into Simon Norris' Evo at Santa Pod yesterday.



Unfortunatly a slipping clutch meant that we only got two runs with Datron figures, both of which had far from perfect launches to add to the clutch slip (and a 14mph head wind).

Problems aside, it still smashed the records his previous car held and is officially the quickest car we've ever timed



0-10mph 0.498sec (2nd run)
0-20mph 1.053sec (2nd run)
0-30mph 1.515sec (2nd run)
0-40mph 1.943sec (2nd run)
0-50mph 2.399sec (2nd run)
0-60mph 3.133sec (1st run)
0-70mph 3.532sec (1st run)
0-80mph 3.951sec (1st run)
0-90mph 4.559sec (1st run)
0-100mph 5.078sec (1st run)
0-110mph 5.681sec (1st run)
0-120mph 6.354sec (1st run)
0-130mph 7.335sec (1st run)
0-140mph 8.226sec (1st run)
0-150mph 9.280sec (1st run)
100-150mph 4.202sec
Santa Pod timing slip details (2nd run)
9.777sec @ 154.67mph

The best times we recorded from his old car:
0-30mph 1.37sec
0-60mph 2.69sec
0-100mph 5.63sec
0-150mph 12.02sec
100-150mph 6.28sec

Couple of ramdom super car times
Veyron 0-120 7.3sec
F1 0-100 6.3sec

Once his new clutch is fitted (and we can find an air field that will have us) we'll be going for a 0-200 time and improvements on the ones above

Thats shit the bed quick, without the slipping clutch and the 14mph wind it'll be quicker id say by about half a second. This is proper radio rental and I love it everytime I hear something new about it

http://www.norrisdesigns.com/videos/redline-santa-pod.wmv

Thats mega fast.Wud love to see it go,cant wait to hear the 0-200 time,maybe they shud tow a caravan with it, put dont let that monkey who ruined his evo 7 drive it, he shud do it himsilf,after all,it is his car

Give me a mo to pick my jaw up off the floor...

I'd sell my girlfriend for a spin in that



j/k obv.

obviously you were joking


that is simply, as jimbo said, jaw-dropping!

Yeah but the possibility of my girlfriend seeing this thread is enough for me to add the bottom bit

Its not as fast as it sounds. The Veyron listed there to compare it with is road legal, this isnt. It does my head in when people compare cars that obviously arnt road legal with supercars like the Veyron etc, and then pretend how impressive they are.

You take a look at some of the cars they have in the US, that also arnt road legal, and they would wipe the floor with that Evo.

On top of this, the figures touted for these cars often arnt fully legit and are never verified by an official body like the FIA or GWR, whereas figures for cars like the Veyron are, and cant be falsified, therefore I wouldnt read too much into it anyway.

True, still amazingly quick though.

......and matty, how much does a veyron cost?

That proves you havnt a clue.
0 - 60 in 3.1 seconds with a headwind and a badly slipping clutch is NOTHING to be taken lightly. This can is capable of doing it in LOW 2 seconds.

Oh, and it is road legal in everyway.

his old evo did a 2.6 but was not an official timing device.

i can't wait till the Reyland Escort is setup and see how quick that is, and as the old reyland escort did a 2.89 0-60(maybe quicker) i can pretty much guess the evo has a worthy contender.

what makes u say its not road legal matty?? im pretty sure it is,as was the old one,as is the reyland cossie. cant wait to hear of the reyland cossie myself, owever,why do reyland insist on ripping off the 1997 (repsol) escort WRC livery

scoop, when his first one was built it was in 1997. he was going to paint it in the exact colors but as the paint fades he binned the idea off.

Can anybody direct me to the official and proven world record holder for acceleration evidence of this car then?

Cos until you can, I will not believe it is faster then the Veyron.

The Veyron has proven its worth with the most rigerous testing possible, not just on some drag strip where it could easily be corrupt.

And just incase you forget, the Veyron can do 0-60 in just over 2.4 seconds (official, proven and substantiated by GWR, not just a magazine) and a top speed of 253mph (limited), a theoretical top speed of 257mph with road legal tyres, and possibly upto 270mph with tyres of their choosing...

So no, its not as impressive as it sounds. And again, I won't believe it as there is no evidence whatsoever, except for the teams word (and they wouldnt lie would they) or Santa Pod's (and they wouldnt want some free exposure would they?).

And the reason the Veyron hasnt accelerated faster officially they rekon, is because it can only work at 90% of the engines efficiency in the one place its been pushed so far, because of the land level being so high above sea level and a slight lack of oxygen to burn enough fuel fast enough...

And if this car were road legal would every millionaire not have one? In fact im pretty sure that there would be a lot of rich boy racers banging in orders for them as we speak...

lol how else do you think they test things then?

The Evo IS a roadcar, the reason millionaires dont have them is because of A) They are 1 off's only a select few can build B) The amount of hours labour, technical knowledge needed and all the parts needed equals alot of stress C) At the end of the day its an Evo, not a Bentley or a lambo D) They dont just build them over night, its a long process.

So you really think everyone's out to sabatarge the Veyron? Why the hell would anyone want to 'change' the results? You dont go through all the above so you can cheat. These car's are not built to outdo the Veyron (Thats never intended) but they do for the fact there quicker/as quick/nearly as quick as a Veyron but they cost atleast seven times LESS. I bet the Veyron handles like shit around a track as its caterd for high speed runs.

Your getting confused, the Veyron is the fastest road car in STANDARD form.

Offical proven record? So until its entered into the Guiness book at records you fail to iknowledge its a fast car/average car.

I must stress again, it IS a road legal car. Iv seen it being driven on public roads.

Actually Dazza, you will find the Veyron offers awsome handling, superior to almost all other supercars.

It was designed and built from day one to be a drivers car, to offer world record breaking speed and superb handling at the same time.

Forgetting about how much Jezza raves off its superb handling as well as acceleration, even Gordon Murray himself, probably the biggest sceptic of the entire Veryon development program, conceeded that it was one of the greatest cars ever built and offered not only the fastest drive, but almost defies physics with its phenominal handling.


Now tell me it handles like shit?

You must be getting confused with the Evo you posted above... That probably handles like shit on a track, because thats built with acceleration in mind (it must be to even attempt to get an Evo as fast as a Veyron), and isnt a track or road car, whereas the Veyron was designed for the road, not a dragstrip (otherwise they wouldnt have spent billions developing the engine, chassis etc).

And the Veyron was offically tested on Volkswagon's Ehra-Lessien test course in Germany, the longest test course in the world, with a 9km straight (a private course, not just a public course like Santa Pod). And, it still had to brake before it could complete its acceleration due to the course not being long enough!

And yes, they would make claims of 0-60 in x seconds and 0-120 in x seconds, but I dont see them getting an official body to back these up... I wonder why that is? And there are many good reasons to falsify claims like this, I means who is going to take any notice if their not claiming to be faster then the official fastest road legal car ever built?

Just like Koenigsegg claimed that the CCX was upto 10mph faster... until they were made to use road legal tyres, and found out that it was more then 3mph slower top speed and a fair bit slower in acceleration too!

Simple rule to consider is, nobody takes any notice of number 2, number 1 is where you have to be.

well here is the editor of Redline mag saying what happened the other day. Evo link the first sentence says it all really.

also did it not win the Totb this year?

The editor of Redline doesnt really compare with Gordon Murray either way... Oh yeah, and redline arnt biased are they? Hmmmm yeah sure. WHereas if anything, Gordon Murray is biased against the Veyron.

And it was Dazza who said the Veyron handles like shit. When it is anything BUT.

looking at the passionford topic it reminded me of the fastest road legal car in the country (or EX) that cally dragster thing, is this faster??

Matty,i think u shud concede that the evo is faster, figures can be falsified but why bother, weather it can do 0-150 in 9.5 seconds or 11 seconds it dont matter,its still awesome and great for publicity to all people. so they wouldnt lie. and altho the timing gear at santa pod may not be 100% accurate (altho its prob 99.99999%) there is video evidence on streetfire of it getting to 150MPH in 1/4 mile after just 9.5 seconds. faster than a veyron and still road legal.

Tell me matty, what IS the fastest accelerating road legal car in the world?? cos i bet its not the veyron in the guiness book of records. fastest Production car maybe, but fastest CAR will be a modified car i bet

and to add: the word of the redline editor means nothing to me,yes the veyron is awesome and that george bloke tells that it is even tho he really wanted to hate it, but stick that george in the ND evo and see what he says about that

Couldnt be bothered reading your full responce but when I say it handles like shit, obviously it doesnt but were talking about a 2ton car thats very long - As good as the Veyron is, I bet money that there is alot better than it around a track when it comes to the twisties.

The Veyron was never in mind when the Evo was built, it was you that mentiond that. While were on this topic, I know of kitcars that will do 0 - 60 quicker than a Veyron - Your right when you say it pisses on everything STANDARD, but modified car's it doesnt other than the rediculas top end speed.

Why is one persons opinion (Gordon Murray) so vital to what you think?

All in all, it was not me that brought the Veyron up it was you. Stating that it CANT do the speeds its just recorded because the Veyron is better LOL!

Ahem I think you need to re-read the first post, you bought the Veyron into it Dazza.

And if you dont know who Gordon Murray is fair enough, but does the McLaren F1 (yes that car that held the world top speed record for over a decade) ring any bells?

Plus I actuaslly made reference to two people's opinions, who are not influenced by advertising and trying to sell copies of a magazine, one person who made the following comment regarding the Veyron prior to trying it:


The main purpose of that quote is to show how much dislike he had for the Veyron prior to its inception. And boy did his opinion change when he drove it and found out that the Veyron was not just for speed, but also built for "driving". Also, it goes to prove that putting as much speed and acceleration out of a car like an Evo it pretty pointless, it will never be a drivers car and certainly never be comfortable to drive on a daily basis, unlike a certain machine called the Veyron.

how can you slate a car you have never seen....



dazza posted this to show the speed of a 1 off evo which was made from a 4 door evo shell into a 2 door 800plus bhp Drag, track and top speed car. the owner built it to the best of his ability with 1 off touches.

as said in dazza's statment he only mentioned the veyron due to it being the fastest PRODUCTION car.

the next thing you will be saying that the most powerful road legal car is not an old Vauxhall

Im still awaiting proof of these claims... substantiated by more then an affiliated magazine or dragstrip...

Its just my opinion that I personally don't believe this car claims... why? Quite simply because there is no proof other then being backed up by companies who have money and notorioty to gain from it.

Maybe I am wrong for not believing everything I read in magazines and papers... but then there is a lot of bs claimed these days, so I believe I am right to await independently verified evidence before I jump on the bandwagon and accept all that is put in front of me.

So why did they bother there arse dragging it with timing gear?

Going off your views my Fiesta will do a 1/4 in 12 seconds at 170mph

Erm actually thats your view Dazza... You're one of the people that believe's everything printed in a newspaper/magazine.

Im the one thats been here questioning the legitimacy of these claims throughout this thread.

And yes, good question, why did they bother if they are not going to make it an official time with an official body? Why bother building a car that can supposedly do these speeds and not have an unaffiliated and independent 3rd party verify these times???

there seems to be no telling u matty. Lets get off the veyron subject as we know its fast and has all the PROOF,i'd actually like to [censored] the veyron for having a mahoosive engine yet still only making just under 1000BHP. what size is the veyron engine,8 litres?

as for the evo the times have been done using the timing gear (there prob is a 3rd party,the timing company,DATRON) are u just not willing to accept the veyron isnt the fastest accelerating car?? if the claimed speeds were .1 seconds slower accross the board would u believe it then?

No I wouldnt Scoop, cos as I say, I have yet to see any real proof other then an affiliated magazine article...

lol when will this end?

Have you actually seen/read/touched the PROOF that the Veyron has? Because thats how petty your getting.

Oh by the way Dazza, glad you could come back into this convo lol, cos theres an article in one of the papers today, apparently the next Fiesta ST is gonna be 620bhp with a top speed rumored to be in the 230mph region.

Oh an its 0-60 in 1.9 seconds...

Not that you would believe an article printed by the media with no real proof to back it up though.

here's a vid of it in action http://www.norrisdesigns.com/videos/redline-santa-pod.wmv

But you fail to realise, what you have just said is a complete lie whereas the Evo is real - It looks like you'll only believe this when the two have a race.

There any MANY things quicker than the Veyron, just not in standard form. I wish Stuymac could get online to confirm my views

Dont worry Dazza, I know there are loads of cars faster then the Veyron, not only in acceleration, but also at top end. There are some real beasts in the US, but the whole point is, none of them are road legal and therefore nobody ever bothers to compare them with a fully road legal car for performance figures.

Even if something as small as the tyres being illegal for road use so they have to change them to use the car on the road, and therefore comprimise performance, then its still not road legal at test times.

And I still dont automatically believe everything that is printed in the newspapers and magazines and with good reason - media moguls like Murdoch need to spout crap to sell newspapers and magazines, all stories are exaggerated and overplayed.

The only news/media corporation in the world that I have any sort of trust in is the BBC, and whilst even they are not 100% squeeky clean, they have no financial intrests, bias's or anything to gain (ie. they dont have to sell papers or advertising space) from making up bs. I mean, they even critisize themselves they are that impartial.

I think this could go on forever, you believe everything you read no matter how contraversial the evidence/weak the evidence is. I on the other hand believe very little until I am shown impartial evidence from sources that have absolutely nothing to gain over-sensationalising something.

And a video doesnt actually prove anything either I am afraid as video's have been getting "edited" since the advent of visual recording, the same a photographs. And I believe it even less, when its from the party making the claim.

Just my thoughts and opinions. Its clear you dont agree, but I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on this matter.

matty the tyres on the evo are toyo r888's which are a road legal tyre, look on the vid and you will see a disc on the windscreen. i'll let you tell what it is it begins with a T

just to point out there is a fiesta with 640bhp, Pat dorans Rallycross car.

From what i have read this will be quicker.

That must be such a rush driving that thing.

matty,redline,santa pod,and even norris designs have NOTHING to gain from lying about the figures!! weather its 3 seconds to sixty or under 2 it doesnt matter,the fact remains its a fantastic car that WILL SELL MAGAZINES and will get ND new customers etc....

I'll agree to disagree with u,u are clearly stuck in ur ways to not believe claims that are heavily backed up. fair play guiness book of records wud be more proof but the DATRON data and santa pods timing and velocity info are proof enough for me

Taken from another site:

With all the camber wound off, new Nitto tyres and a new triple plate clutch (you may remember the last one expired last time he went to Santa Pod last week), Simon was hoping for some good results, i.e. the low 9s/high 8s he wants the car to do, but grip was low, thanks to the cold weather, and once again there was a 15-20mph head wind.

The clutch gave up, again (739lbft would do that to me too ), but the transmission held up and these are the results:

Results were;

60 Feet: 1.734 Seconds
Best ET: 9.556 Seconds
Best Terminal: 158.31 Mph
Best 1/8th Terminal: 126.78 Mph
0-100Mph: 4.95 Seconds
0-150Mph: 8.83 Seconds

Or it may just be a bunch of lies...

Just to add, 4.95secs to 100 is amazing

A Hayabusa does it in 5.3secs

Norris times:
0-10mph 0.565sec
0-20mph 1.056sec
0-30mph 1.551sec
0-40mph 1.952sec
0-50mph 2.650sec
0-60mph 3.022sec
0-70mph 3.425sec
0-80mph 3.847sec
0-90mph 4.477sec
0-100mph 4.967sec
0-110mph 5.525sec
0-120mph 6.147sec
0-130mph 6.948sec
0-140mph 7.797sec
0-150mph 8.821sec

FFS Matty, how much proof do you need to substantiate those figures?!?!?

I could point you to many sites, including the MLR where they are quoted as bonafide Santa Pod timing times, along with similar results from top speed challanges and The ten of the best competetion.

The car is road legal and must be to compete in the UK Time Attack in which Simon is doing very well, again maybe a slight hint as to the handling ability of the car.

I know Simon, and I went in his last car which was ballistic - this new one is even faster. Naturally Ive never been in a Veyron so have no comparison other than the figures, although can you prove - other than claimed figures, that the Veyron is that quick? Cant say Ive ever heard of one screaming up Santa pod to prove figures???

Admittedly though, the Mitsi is a highly modified car, and the Veyron is "std", but in this case, I think "std" just means modified in the factory. Remember though, the Evo is a Modified everyday, 2.0 car, with Tax and MOT, the Veyron a massive engined, high priced, and highly exclusive supercar.

Maybe you can find some actual figures from the Veyron (not just claimed figures) from everyday people who drive them to you can back this disscussion up

Maybe that will put an end to all the bickering about a super car (Without doubt)....... ?

GWR are fully substantiated figures, a bit more then a few afilliates Stuy...

Dont know how you are trying to say the Veyron only has "claimed" figures... The testing will have been ten times more rigorous then these "claimed" (and yes, THEY ARE CLAIMED, by AFILLIATES, and NOT PROVEN by an independent third party or official motoring organisation).

You go and find me an article which "doubts" the trueness of the Veyron's figures?

You won't find many articles for the Evo anyway, because quite simply, until they are substantiated by official and independent motoring and record bodies, then nobody really gives one about what times they claim to be hitting...

And since you say you "know" the guy, like you are going to be unbiased. Just like the Rover 25TD that was mentioned on here once where the guy claimed to have a 0-60 time of 6.3 seconds, but didnt really have any proof, and you yourself doubted it!

just face it we are right, the evo is faster in parts than the veyron

Point me to verified proof of such records and i will "face it".

All this shit people have been spouting about the Veyron (its only good in a straight line and shit for driving on a track and its records are all untrue and the likes of GWR are not to be trusted etc) just makes me laugh at how much you all want this Evo to be superior to it.

At the end of the day, the Veyron is what it is through millions of pounds worth of research and years of development, its proved it to more important people and organizations then the likes of us and claiming that the figures it has had INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED are not true and that it wont be any good on a track is pretty much pathetic.

My simple questioning of the legitimacy of the figures posted for an Evo which has not yet recieved "real" independent verification or even apparaisel is quite fair I think.

I don't believe everything I hear, I also dont believe it just because other people do and say it must be true for whatever reason. I believe what is proven, and if it can't be proven to myself, if its proven to an independent and unbiased party.

Which i think is quite responisble and at the end of the day, fair enough.

So will you only be happy, and accept the ND Evo figures when its tested by the same people who tested the Veyron?

Im not saying, nor have I said the Veyron isnt as good as the ND Evo, but on paper it is quicker.

Thing with the Veyron is, as you already said, its have millions spent on it through its development etc, where as the ND Evo is modified, and still being developed, meaning its very rarely recorded at the same performance level more than once or twice due to improvements in its modifications.

With your view being the way it is Matty, its going to very difficult to settle this discussion, though you are the first person Ive seen on any of the BB's to actually question the figures

Im also finding it hard to take you seriously ever since you said - regarding your car being off the road "it only harms the environment anyway"

Lol, yeah that was a goodun Stuy, the hidden eco-warrior side of me coming out I spose

Personaly i dont give a toss what the Vyron can do as it was built by the worlds best automotive engineers with an unlimited budget and costing a mere £10,000,000 per vehicle, where as the Evo has been modified by a small independant company and they have managed to beat the pefrormance figures of the worlds best automotive engineers.

Official figures dont matter when it comes to the respect these chaps have earned, put it this way.... I bet them VW chaps are pretty pissed

Tbh Scooby, I doubt the VW bods will have noticed, they will be more interested in competing with other mass market manuafacturer's like Ferrari etc...

Yes they certainly gain a lot of respect, thats for sure.

Here's another car that people 'lie' about

0-60 in 2.8

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=130056300705&rd=1&rd=1

There are MANY cars that can do similar speeds

you got independently approved proof of that?

read an old "J-tuner" magazine at work today with a feature on the countries best evos at top gears track, the best lap time was a 1.27 IIRC which was faster than such things as the zonda,konigsegg and many many others (only about 5 cars faster round the track than this evo)

The norris designs evo was there too,but couldnt post a lap time cos he broke the rear diff launching then had another transmission problem after replacing the rear diff, i have little doubt inm my mind this car would have lapped quicker than 1.27. By how much i couldnt possibley guess.

on another note,that speed 12!! wow. Those airboxes/inlet manifold make me laugh

One of the reasons why 200MPH+ isnt easily achievable no matter what the car

this is one of 2 top speed vids ive seen that show silly speeds would never be done even the engine can get u there, as well as this vid theres a vid of tiff needell doing a jag XJ220 where at high speed the bonnet tries to lift,bending the hinges,and the wipers HAD to be removed cause they were ripping themselves off. And a lot of official top speed runs are done with parts of trim removed for safety.

Then theres the feature in Evo magazine where an Evo FQ400 goes for its top speed and ends up ripping off half of its trim. High speeds cant be done with the car in road trim,cos the body gets damaged, the XJ220 would need no wipers and bonnet pins to do its top speed safely,and very modern tyres, and i think the veyrons tyres would last about 3 minutes at 250MPH