UP TO 1000 TURNING UP

8TH MAY
M62 BIRCH SERVICES MEET 11.30AM LEAVE 12.30PM PICK UP LYMM SERVICES ON WAY ( BIKERS) TO STANLOW OIL REFINERY

LLANDUDNO MACDONALDS A55 MEET 11.30AM LEAVE 12.30 PM TO STANLOW OIL REFINERY

LIVERPOOL TO STANLOW OIL REFINERY
MEETING POINT

STARTING POINT:
COSTCO/TOYSRUS CARPARK -LIVERPOOL - L3 7YH meet 11.30am leave 12.30pm
Pick up – Macdonalds Aigburth Road
Pick up – New Mersey Retail Park
Past WIDNES > RUNCORN BRIDGE > M56 then Stanlow

THIS IS A BIG FUEL DEMO , MORE DETAILS HERE

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162126867179094#!/event.php?eid=162126867179094

WE URGE YOU TO SUPPORT US

Why tomorrow? Hardly going to gain any media attention on Saturday is it, I heard there is going to be some wedding all over the papers instead lol.

Fuel protests = FAIL+Epic

date is 8th may !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha, btw, were you alpacino in a former life?

This is going to cost about 30 quid in fuel for each person?
I'd love to take part but these things seem a bit contradictory.

So is killing people in a war where you are going to war to prevent genocide - but hey-ho...

I agree with what they're doing, but I don't see the point in this type of action. Good luck anyway.

Your car must be pretty heavy on fuel if it cost £30 to drive to Stanlow?

it will cost £ 8-10 pound for the trip.... we are staying for a week there,thats including the farmers from 2000 demo, bikers from the m62 fuel demo 2008 and hauliers , other drivers too...

Staying for a week?. So the cost of the fuel plus a week off work?. Ok then.

Alpacino, why dont you come to your senses?!

If the protest is about the extortionate UK Petrol Taxes / Duty, shouldn't people be protesting at that other place, oh what's it called now, er, Westminster?

Stanlow is just running a business, they are entitled to (and need to) make profits or there would BE no petrol, or jobs, FFS...

This style of protest only serves to cause anxiety and worry for people who have to travel and are unable to get the fuel to do so.

Do you really feel this protest will actually achieve anything?

for a fuel protest to work then supplies need to be disrupted to the forcourts,, you will be surprised how many drivers will support this action,, they might not be there blocking the fuel depots but they will support the action,, if nothing is done then the price of fuel is just going to keep on rising and every driver out there knows it

why the hell would i support a protest that would stop me from being able to put fuel in my car??

Same reason that people go on strike even though they lose money by doing so. Its looking after the long term future, not worrying too much about the short term loss.

Funny how many people cry there arses off over the price of petrol?diesel and then moan if anybody protests about it,Its a funny world!

I am not crying about the price of fuel. It needs to be expensive. Where else will the government get the tax revenue from to pay for the bloated public sector, welfare bill and everything else that so many people take for granted?. Whilst people still use the car all the time for journeys they could easily walk then its obviously not expense enough.

I find it slightly odd about the farmers complaing as they use red diesel which is taxed at a far lower rate, but the overall increase in diesel is crippling haulage which in turn effects everybody including people who dont own a car it cost £975 per fuel tank to fill our truck this needs doing twice a week so we have to pass on the cost,So you the consumer is paying more for your fuel in the way of tax and more for your goods due to the vat increase and the extra cost being levied on the haulage companies Etc,,,We are being taxed to melting point!

We are being taxed a hell of a lot in all areas but I don't see a realistic alternative for the short term at least.

Although Im in agreement that petrol / diesel costs are expensive, IIRC ours are one of the most expensive in europe!

What concerns me also (mainly because my main car is Diesel) - is why is our derv more than petrol???? Our diesel is one of the very few european countrys where derv is more than petrol

Another point worth mentioning is our location - due to being local to stanlow, delivery costs are low, so our price locally is lower than the national average.

Price of fuel doesnt really bother me tbh; as I always say, theres a lot of things in life id like but can't afford them, so I do without, or save-up for them lol.

If I couldnt afford to run my cars, I walk, use public transport, or get rid/get something cheaper.

As I also always say, fuel duty (both tax and VAT) generates around £30billion per year to the public purse. So the loss of that means either further public spending cuts, or tax increases elsewhere; so either way, we are going to pay for it.

We may as well just pay fuel tax and be done with it. The price of fuel being so high for the last few months, is not as a result of tax, indeed the planned Labour tax hike was cancelled and actually reduced in this months budget; the price of fuel being high is as a result of world oil prices being at a 3 years high, and increasing; I can't honestly, see the Opec nations increasing output, and resolving their tensions, and the likes of the Chinese and other emerging Asian nations deciding to lower their consumption to help the people of little old Blighty to afford the cost of oil and thus fuel.

It's highly unlikely you'll be blockading for a week. Trespass law (most of Oil Sites Road is private property), the Road Traffic Act and the various anti-terrorism laws will see the police moving you on after a few hours.

AA figures for March 2011 averages put UK 11th most expensive for petrol and 2nd for diesel in EU.

In the past it was down to the fuel escalator and non-ULSD attracting a higher duty rate than petrol. Today ultra-low sulphur diesel attracts the same fuel duty as petrol (57.95p/l), and virtually all diesel available at the pump is of the ULSD variety. However, now it's down to the economics of supply and demand.

The EU has an historic preference for diesel, in France for example 70% of vehicles on the road are DERV. However, in the UK there are more petrol cars on the road than diesel. This is an historic trend, so that even though current sales of DERV and petrol vehicles is approximately equal (if not now actually in favour of DERV) it will take time before diesel becomes as cheap or cheaper than petrol again. Though if you remember when petrol first hit £1/l, diesel was already over £1.10/l...

just for all the doubters that we only make local press try reading todays sunday express big write up ....

Explain to me again, how you propose to prevent Asia's ever-increasing need for oil, the tensions within the Middle East from disrupting production or scaring the markets, and how you plan to get Opec to increase production, to ensure the oil price stays low for us Brits to enjoy cheap fuel prices...

And then you can explain how we generate the £35 billion in lost revenue again, once fuel duty and VAT is removed, and whether you prefer tax increases somewhere else (maybe added to income tax - okay if you are a dolite) or further public spending cuts...

Hopefully this may help but i doubt it!
http://business.scotsman.com/business/40bn-investment-for-North-Sea.6722750.jp
Personally speaking i dont give a hoot how much petrol costs!
....Nick.

The problem with that idea, is the prices are still going to follow the market pricing; so oil is still going to break through $200 a barrel as demand surges and people have a bit more money in their pockets in the west, as we emerge from recession.

As you say though, it doesnt really matter about the price of fuel; id like to see it hit £2.00 per litre, because the roads cetrainly seem to be getting quieter and quieter as the fuel price increases further, and it makes the whole driving and getting from A-B experience so much more pleasureable. More freedom, less queues.

But matt you know as well as we all do the higher the price of fuel, the higher the cost of food etc etc.

But surely if fuel becomes too expensive resulting in less cars on the road,Then surely the loss of tax revenue will have to be found elsewhere as you mentioned earler so really its a no win situation,Perhaps if we didnt have so many European workers here bleeding our country dry things may be better,They are automatically allowed equel rights as any UK citizen dental hospital etc.. they work here and then return to there own country for 12 weeks and in doing so dont have to pay income tax!!That pisses me right off

Doesnt bother me much, an extra penny on the price of a tin of beans isnt going to break the bank; it depends how savvy a shopper you are in the first place, as to whether its going to hurt you wallet significantly.

The price of food is also going to rise in line with the price of oil anyway, as a result of increasing demand from Asia and even Africa, we in the west have had it far too easy, for far too long, and its all pretty fair that our domainance in the markets is now starting to struggle.

There might be something going to happen with this protest had a memo passed round in work to fuel up all works vehicles today as it is likely there will be fuel shortages over the next two weeks.
I work for a big well know haulage company so I dont think they would be so cautious if something wasn't going to happen.

call me a cynic but i dont think these rallys make a jot of difference, do people not realise that the goverment already know how pissed, we the public are, at rising fuel prices and couldnt give a toss, they have us over a barrel and they know it

fight back mate,its all about people power,let the government know how we feel,the high cost of fuel impacts on all of us regardless of wether you own a car or not.
I work,use my car to travel to work and the cost of fuel is crippling.

I am of the understanding that any action against fuel prices has to be a concerted and highly organised one.
The best way a boycott could work is for EVERYONE to target the same chain (ie. BP). Not just for the day or week but for weeks maybe months. Once the price has dropped sufficiently then move to the next chain.
Its a case of supply and demand. Remove the demand and the price drops.

Just been up to have a look there was only 15 protesters dont think this is going to change the soaring fuel prices.

waste of fuel doing it, nowt going to help the price of fuel

From the last couple of posts, do i take it that todays protest wasn't on the scale that the organisers forecast?

Beeb reporting around 150 vehicles during the 20MPH convoys. As I expected they don't seem to have been allowed to blockade the refinery: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-13326275

An earlier version of the above article said they wanted fuel duty reduced by 24p per litre.

The first protest a few years back raised awareness and caused problems to which the then government/oil companies had to react to. Since then there have been subtle changes to certain laws and procedures preventing the same happening again.
Though I thoroughly support their action, it will only have a limited effect on those that matter.
A different plan of action is required, one that has the desired effect

Absolutely spot on, post 2000 measures were established to curtail and stop this type of protest through new police powers and criminal sanctions.

Petrol is far too expensive and has meant that my car spends more time off the road than on. Any ideas on a legal way to show our discontent?

see my post on different thread