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Posted By: SevenBabyBears Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:01am
Does anyone have any idea where we stand with this? We had a Renault Clio (x reg) which to cut a long story short, the cam belt went on it along with pistons ect. We were given a large quote to fix so decided it should meet it's maker.

We rang around from scrapyards for prices and in the end was given just £140 from one on cleveland st. They came on a flatbed, filled out the forms which I presumed was to say it was being scrapped, also the V5 slip and took it away. We aslo asked the lad who took it would it be stripped down and he said yes.

We received confirmation from the DVLA that we were no longer the registered keepers and that was that.

Then on Sunday, we were at West Kirby boot sale and pulled up to our old car in the car park! I asked the man with it if he knew it's history and he said no, but he paid £1100 from a scrapyard on Cleveland St who sells cars. He has taken our name and number and is looking into it now but where do we stand, if anywhere???

The car was sold on the understanding it was going to be scrapped and it looks like they have just chucked an engine into it and sold it on. I am scouring the house looking for the signed paper that we got from them but don't know what more can be done. It is more probrably down to the man now who bought it off them?

We are so annoyed.........
Posted By: Colgo Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:08am
You sold it to them,assuming the paperwork is correct they can do what they want with it
We sold it on the understanding it was to be scrapped, otherwise we could have just got it fixed ourselves and sold it on if we'd have had the means.

What's with the ads in the papers stating make sure it is legally scrapped.....
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:14am
Originally Posted by Colgo
You sold it to them,assuming the paperwork is correct they can do what they want with it

withthat

Unless they gave you a certificate of destruction, what exactly do you expect to happen? Are you expecting the scrapyard to give you some more money or something?? Or are you expecting to get the car back?
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:16am
Originally Posted by SevenBabyBears
we could have just got it fixed ourselves and sold it on

Which you chose not to do, and somebody else obviously saw the potential for a quick fix and profitable sale.

I fail to see the problem. Did they hold a gun to your head and tell you to accept the 140 notes or summit??
Posted By: Colgo Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:23am
Have a look HERE ,all is explained. Did you get a certificate of destruction,or a change of ownership slip. either way you didn't want it any more.
Posted By: 2005wireman Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:42am
I Think what the person trying to say.
is will they have any comebacks after they surpose scrap it.
I had a bad expirence with a scrap yard dealer in cleveland street over my ford fista car.Like reciving paying fine,speeding tickets this was after i sold the car for scrap.
This was about six years ago.
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:46am
Originally Posted by SevenBabyBears
We received confirmation from the DVLA that we were no longer the registered keepers and that was that.

This point alleviates them concerns.

smile
Posted By: StuyMac Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:47am
There are 2 seperate sections on the V5 (there are more, but only these 2 are of concern here) - the green slip for selling the car, and I think the Yellow part for scrapping the vehicle.

If you wanted the car scrapped, then the yellow section should have been filled out - that way the car would have to have been destroyed by your wishes.

If you just gave them the whole V5, then they could do what they want with the car.

Unfortunatly ignorance isnt an excuse frown

Im not saying what they did was right, and they where not honest with you, but at the end of the day if the paperwork checks out there will be no comeback frown
Posted By: Colgo Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:52am
Originally Posted by SevenBabyBears
Does anyone have any idea where we stand with this? We had a Renault Clio (x reg) which to cut a long story short, the cam belt went on it along with pistons ect. We were given a large quote to fix so decided it should meet it's maker.

We rang around from scrapyards for prices and in the end was given just £140 from one on cleveland st. They came on a flatbed, filled out the forms which I presumed was to say it was being scrapped, also the V5 slip and took it away. We aslo asked the lad who took it would it be stripped down and he said yes.

We received confirmation from the DVLA that we were no longer the registered keepers and that was that.
Then on Sunday, we were at West Kirby boot sale and pulled up to our old car in the car park! I asked the man with it if he knew it's history and he said no, but he paid £1100 from a scrapyard on Cleveland St who sells cars. He has taken our name and number and is looking into it now but where do we stand, if anywhere???

The car was sold on the understanding it was going to be scrapped and it looks like they have just chucked an engine into it and sold it on. I am scouring the house looking for the signed paper that we got from them but don't know what more can be done. It is more probrably down to the man now who bought it off them?

We are so annoyed.........


If you have this document, you must have signed the change of ownership part of the V5.
So you are no longer legally responsible for the vehicle
Posted By: Colgo Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 11:54am
Matt and Stu beat me to it
Posted By: BandyCoot Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 12:29pm
Unfortunately it's not having the readies to do jobs that lets us fall into these deals, just part of lifes rich tapestry. I was trumped selling my house and it does get up your nose. Just put it behind you and get on with it, that's what I'm doing.
I can understand your sentiments as you appear to have been conned - but if you step back - so what - you got the money you agreed to.

A BIG plus is the car has been recycled in the best possible way instead of being shredded and the bits left to rust away on the liverpool dockside for years.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 6:18pm
Lol so many mugs out there.

You have obviously filled the wrong forms out on the v5.

By the way, it would of been cheaper putting a new engine in it.

Next time ask advise instead of going straight to a garage.
My bird was recently quoted £550 to put a gearbox in her Mgzr, rip off merchant spotted, I'm doing it myself.
Posted By: Sanchez Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 6:23pm
Originally Posted by _Ste_
Lol so many mugs out there laugh


I love driving past quickfit in brom on my way home, looking at the people having their cars done and think that too!
Posted By: johncon Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 6:40pm
Unless you got a certificate of destruction I dont think there is anything you can do about it
Its happened to me before. I scrapped my first car (red Ford Escort D981 NMB) in 1997 as it was a shed and according to one mechanic a death trap. It was took away by a scrap dealers also from Cleveland street, I got £40 for it. 3 years later I drive past it parked up on Elm road by st Cathrines hospital, with a baby seat in the back.
I don't remember what paperwork was or was not signed at the time I was just young naive and wanted rid of the old nail asap.
Posted By: Wheels Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 6:49pm
Was it silver?

You "Presumed" .... Never presume. If it was the car I'm thinking of it was actually sold to a garage not the scrappy.
Posted By: The_Monk Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Apr 2011 9:54pm
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Unless they gave you a certificate of destruction, what exactly do you expect to happen? Are you expecting the scrapyard to give you some more money or something?? Or are you expecting to get the car back?


so many nice people trying to help this chap out and give him information and then you get other totally cocky and not needed posts. please give this guy some respect and help instead of speaking down to him.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 13th Apr 2011 7:34am
Originally Posted by KevinFinity
Its happened to me before. I scrapped my first car (red Ford Escort D981 NMB) in 1997 as it was a shed and according to one mechanic a death trap. It was took away by a scrap dealers also from Cleveland street, I got £40 for it. 3 years later I drive past it parked up on Elm road by st Cathrines hospital, with a baby seat in the back.
I don't remember what paperwork was or was not signed at the time I was just young naive and wanted rid of the old nail asap.


Yeah, I remember having a d Reg escort ghia, the d & e Reg ones seemed to have had a major rust problem due to being left in the compound for so long near saltwater. The one I had was literally crumbling away, deffo a deathtrap. That was scrapped. (properly) smirk
Posted By: KevinFinity Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 13th Apr 2011 12:14pm
Originally Posted by _Ste_
Originally Posted by KevinFinity
Its happened to me before. I scrapped my first car (red Ford Escort D981 NMB) in 1997 as it was a shed and according to one mechanic a death trap. It was took away by a scrap dealers also from Cleveland street, I got £40 for it. 3 years later I drive past it parked up on Elm road by st Cathrines hospital, with a baby seat in the back.
I don't remember what paperwork was or was not signed at the time I was just young naive and wanted rid of the old nail asap.


Yeah, I remember having a d Reg escort ghia, the d & e Reg ones seemed to have had a major rust problem due to being left in the compound for so long near saltwater. The one I had was literally crumbling away, deffo a deathtrap. That was scrapped. (properly) smirk


The one I had was completely orange with rust undernieth and various panels didn't quite fit due to badly repaired collision damage.
Forgive me if im being obtuse...
your car was in need of repair as a non-runner and for you to repair it was uneconomical...
but you sold said car for £140 notes...and now someone fixed said car and sold it...and now you arent happy?
would it not have been prehaps a little more prudent to check on the actual cost of repairs ie got several quotes....
and is your basic grasp of ownership so poor that the mere concept that someone has had the foresight to repair said vehicle and sell it on NOT a breach of any ownership law?
sorry if im being a little obtuse here but what exactly IS your problem? someone made some money on your car?...its called business last time I checked.... and its what is necessary to generate money which the tax man ulitmately claws back to pay for fuckwits to have yet more kids!
sorry il get off my soapbox now..rant over
Who rattled your cage...

I didn't reply to this cos it was my wife who started this conversation and shes the one who bothers postin on here. She was the one upset while I was in work and it doesn't help by people who she thought was decent on here coming up with comments like shes read on here.

For starters, the correct paperwork was filled out. If I remember correctly, there was a box to cross saying it was getting scrapped. When the man came, we asked with regards to scrapping it. He said it would be took apart for parts. I know this because he said it is uneconomical to repair. He gave us the forms which we presumed were to say thats its lot. Yes, niave but we've never scrapped a car before.

Secondly, Whats with the comment about kids??? Not sure what your problem is but she isn't coming on here agin to be insulted by people she thought she could get advice from. I've read some of the stuff that goes on on here........

Do me a favour mods - remove her from this site please
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 25th Apr 2011 7:24pm
Oi babybears husband!
You got it all wrong pal, mother goose want going on about you and your wife, he was on about dole scrounging baby breeding ... of the earth no hopers who bring kids into this world soley to benefit from us hard workers.

Oh, if oi were you pal I wouldn't go on the bounce down to that scrapyard, just a bit of friendly advise wink

Next time you deal with anyone in the motor trade check out their history 1st wink
Now, you haven't lost anything and you carnt do anything about it so just get on with your life and forget about it yes?
Posted By: raymondo Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 25th Apr 2011 8:04pm
i dont see what the problem is, you didnt have the money to repair the car. some one else did and now you are jelouse because some one else made the money that you could or would have made if you had the funds and could have repaired it?
Posted By: The_Monk Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 25th May 2011 12:16pm
Originally Posted by _Ste_
Oi babybears husband!
You got it all wrong pal, mother goose want going on about you and your wife, he was on about dole scrounging baby breeding ... of the earth no hopers who bring kids into this world soley to benefit from us hard workers.

Oh, if oi were you pal I wouldn't go on the bounce down to that scrapyard, just a bit of friendly advise wink

Next time you deal with anyone in the motor trade check out their history 1st wink
Now, you haven't lost anything and you carnt do anything about it so just get on with your life and forget about it yes?


if he did need to go down on the bounce then give me a call ile be happy enough to come with you and ile guarantee you wont have a problem.

feel free to pm me
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 25th May 2011 12:26pm
Bit late monk, don't you know who runs that yard? Lol.

smirk
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 25th May 2011 12:41pm
Originally Posted by The_Monk
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Unless they gave you a certificate of destruction, what exactly do you expect to happen? Are you expecting the scrapyard to give you some more money or something?? Or are you expecting to get the car back?


so many nice people trying to help this chap out and give him information and then you get other totally cocky and not needed posts. please give this guy some respect and help instead of speaking down to him.

Seems quite a straightforward question to me, and it seems like he is a sore-loser. He decided to take the easy route and sell the car, instead of fixing it (or at least didnt have the funds to do so), the person/business that bought it, has the right to do exactly what they want with it, if they want to fix it up and sell it on, thus making a profit in the process, that is their decision. I've bought plenty of cars in my time, at ridiculous low prices, almost to the point where ive felt guilty paying such little amounts; if I decide to then sell that car on at a higher price, then it is no business of the former owner. Especially if they need to sell fast, I have the wods of cash sitting there to get them out of their hole when they most need it, I don't expect them to come back moaning when they have recovered financially and say "I want the difference you sold the car for as it was mine and I sold it to you cheaper than market value" - nope, my name was on the V5, not the previous owners.

What would he do if he were to sell a car to a deal part-ex for less than the book price, only to drive past a few days later and see it on the forecourt for almost double what they paid him in part-ex value, go in and kick off.

A dealer/mechanic/scrappy takes a risk every time they buy a car, they may not make back what they paid for it, depending on the car, im pretty sure they don't go kicking off on customers asking for more money on the odd occasion they lose money on a deal.

The guy couldn't afford to fix it/felt it was uneconomically viable, they bought it off him, they did him the favour, not the other way round. They may have been quoted £500+ to fix the car, the scrapyard owner may have incurred costs of less than half that, that doesnt mean the former owner should get the difference back.
Posted By: delta6 Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 25th May 2011 12:44pm
what yard is it?
theres a few along there.
Posted By: Tony_1985 Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 25th May 2011 2:58pm
sounds perfectly fine to me. there's a lot of yards round here that do exactly the same.

if the car is too good to break, most will fix up and sell on
Posted By: murdoch Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 10th Jun 2011 2:17pm
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Originally Posted by The_Monk
Originally Posted by MattLFC
Unless they gave you a certificate of destruction, what exactly do you expect to happen? Are you expecting the scrapyard to give you some more money or something?? Or are you expecting to get the car back?


so many nice people trying to help this chap out and give him information and then you get other totally cocky and not needed posts. please give this guy some respect and help instead of speaking down to him.

Seems quite a straightforward question to me, and it seems like he is a sore-loser. He decided to take the easy route and sell the car, instead of fixing it (or at least didnt have the funds to do so), the person/business that bought it, has the right to do exactly what they want with it, if they want to fix it up and sell it on, thus making a profit in the process, that is their decision. I've bought plenty of cars in my time, at ridiculous low prices, almost to the point where ive felt guilty paying such little amounts; if I decide to then sell that car on at a higher price, then it is no business of the former owner. Especially if they need to sell fast, I have the wods of cash sitting there to get them out of their hole when they most need it, I don't expect them to come back moaning when they have recovered financially and say "I want the difference you sold the car for as it was mine and I sold it to you cheaper than market value" - nope, my name was on the V5, not the previous owners.

What would he do if he were to sell a car to a deal part-ex for less than the book price, only to drive past a few days later and see it on the forecourt for almost double what they paid him in part-ex value, go in and kick off.

A dealer/mechanic/scrappy takes a risk every time they buy a car, they may not make back what they paid for it, depending on the car, im pretty sure they don't go kicking off on customers asking for more money on the odd occasion they lose money on a deal.

The guy couldn't afford to fix it/felt it was uneconomically viable, they bought it off him, they did him the favour, not the other way round. They may have been quoted £500+ to fix the car, the scrapyard owner may have incurred costs of less than half that, that doesnt mean the former owner should get the difference back.


I agree with you. It's sort of business that they(scrap dealer) are in. Everyone feels likewise when they go of the deal like in the context.
Posted By: StuyMac Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 10th Jun 2011 3:43pm
Very well in hindsight, but maybe you should have jumped on the roof and given the rear 1/4 pannels a good kicking - that would have rendered it "scrap" think
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 10th Jun 2011 8:33pm
He might not have got 140 notes for it then Chewy, some scrap dealers pay higher than others, with the intent of simply repairing the car and selling it on, instead of destorying the car.

It's not rocket science to work out which bit of the V5 corresponds with the type of sale you are taking part in, however it appears some people do have difficulty/are ignorant and then it comes back to bit them in the bum!
Posted By: StuyMac Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 10th Jun 2011 11:09pm
Dents or no dents its always the same weight. Also, when scrapped it can still be used for parts, just the shell cant be used (if in the right catagory), so it shouldnt have effected the value as "scrap" wink
Posted By: raymondo Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 10th Jun 2011 11:43pm
i dont know what the big deal is realy are you pissed of because some one else had the money to repair it and make some money on it or because you didnt make as much
Posted By: MattLFC Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 11th Jun 2011 12:01pm
Originally Posted by StuyMac
Dents or no dents its always the same weight. Also, when scrapped it can still be used for parts, just the shell cant be used (if in the right catagory), so it shouldnt have effected the value as "scrap" wink

Yeah I meant, if other scrap dealers were offering say 90 notes on the weigh-in value of the car etc, and then someone came along and offered 140 notes, they would probably be doing that with the intention of at least stripping it down for valuable parts, or alternatively selling it on (which gets even better values from scrap yards).

If they think they can say drop an engine in, cost them £100 notes to do, and the car can be sold at a decent price, they will do so, and offer a bit more to buyer, so if they had dented the bodywork all over, given the scrap yard wanted to fix it to sell, they might not have offered so much.

Of course its all based on assumption, and yep Chewy, assumption is the mother of all fook ups haha!

laugh
Posted By: hoseman Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 11th Jun 2011 4:48pm
I do that myself when i have scrapped a car in the past. I knock the shit outta the body, hole the floor and roof especially, not worth the hassle of repairs then!
The difference is if it is sold as SPARES/REPAIRS or SCRAP.
I do a lot of work in McCoys scrap and some of the cars DRIVEN in are unbeleivable. But they are for SCRAP only and not broken for parts. They dont sell parts and the cars then just get fragged (shredded!!) in their new TOY.
Posted By: johncon Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 12th Jun 2011 1:37pm
Whenever i scrap a car i cut the wiring harness in various places making it very difficult to put back on the road

oldman
Posted By: Anonymous Re: Car sold to scrappy now back on the road?? - 13th Jun 2011 2:33pm
bet i could get it back on the road
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