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Posted By: spinking 2011 and beyond drift car - 18th Nov 2010 9:35pm
Ok as some of you know i built a really well speced skid car (s13 200sx) i had nothing but bad look with it after one thing was fixed somthing else broke i do not have deep pockets and i do not like to pay a posh garage.


I also dont norm like to own sombody elses car lol

BUT i am sick of not skidding so shall own a well built car and in time i shall make this my own but one thing i have learnt is that skid skid skid 1st then fix 2nd having the very best of everything does not make you the worlds best drifter its all about seat time.


I have bought a car with good mods and to be honest its a very god start better than i thought.
Its a facelift 1994, was auto, now has manual conversion with a realy clean ca with 72,000 miles,. oil changeed after every drift day, and breathers cleaned every month.
engine

walbro fuel pump
has stage 1 chip
gizzmo boost controller
induction kit
massive fmic
apex full exhaust
japspeed downpipe
turbo technics hybrid turbo T25, 4 months old
power steering cooler


suspension
has apex coilovers front
tein on the rear
subframe locking collers
tension rods
steering rack spacers
modified steering knuckles
welded diff


interior
striped and sound deadening out
cusco roll cage
hydro handbreak
drift button
omp suede dished wheel
boost gauge
four grid drifts 16x8 et10
5 oem wheels, all with good tyres

PLANS ARE FUEL/TYRES/FUEL/TYRES/FUEL/TYRES lol
Skid time


if it breaks i shall fix it with somthing better.
On a plus note though i bought my old rear hatch and kouki lights lol
Some pics stolen from the build NOT MINE lol

fmic and driftworks poeer steering cooler


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new engine and engine fitted


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New tubby and sexy skid rims lol


HUGE lock the car has before my mods go on


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well my mods shall go on much later lol


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And how it sits now


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Booked into mallory for the 16th of dec shuld be fun lol
Hoping to make the finals of the ODC nextyear as i cant afford to do bdc.
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 18th Nov 2010 9:35pm
After a very very long day i picked my car up was on the train at 545 am and getting to the car at 1pm checked it over was very happy with it and drove it the 260+ miles home which was eventfull.

Car drives ace need the bodywork looking at but thats it made up with it.

Took some pics pitty the weather was crap and the police were cocks (another story)

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And the petrol station picture lol

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Need to sort some 45's all round as the cars just alittle to low for the stupid bumpy roads round mine.

Plans are put petrol in skid it replace tyres WIN


Oh sorry i have modded it with a jimmyup air freshner
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 18th Nov 2010 9:36pm
more pics from inside

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Need to get oil temp/pressure gauges and possibly a water temp after the last cars fiasco.

You guys who run low cars low cars i bow down as as much as i like it i cant run it this low lol.

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Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 18th Nov 2010 9:37pm
knuckle and pikey spec tension arms lol

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I shall be buying tein tension arms after xmas but the guy i bought the car off made these i guess it will do for now.

Checked under the car and most the normal rust patches very happy with the shell

snap off boss is on 4 new tyres and i forgot howmuch fuel 200s use lol
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 18th Nov 2010 10:20pm
Worked in JDM tuning for many years, watch out for rust on the rear chassis rails, S13's love to rot right through the floor, be wary also that the CA18, rather like its RB brothers doesn't tollerate any hint of oil starvation even for a moment, sump baffles! Even if you make your own its better than nothing.

That said with the right parts (Tomei rods, pistons, poncams) I've mapped a CA18 to a good 450hp with the stock crank, mild flowing on the head and a GT28RS @ 1.5 bar.

Great fun. And the RB26 is a lovely fit under the bonnet...
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 18th Nov 2010 10:21pm
And while I think of it - I have the hardware and software to edit the Nissan ECCS ECU in that car wink

Give it some lazy-eyes too dude ... they look awesome. Oh, and umm, Evo 7 front bumper vent fits into an S13 bumper without too much hastle, gives about another 10-15% surface area increase in fresh air to the I/C.
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 9:10am
Needs to go lower wink
Posted By: StuyMac Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 9:16am
At last Tony - dont go fixing this one until it breaks! raftl

...and they are the track rod ends, for the steering rack, not the traction rods wink

Have they just added some stud iron to give the car more lock, and reinforced it with the other bar?
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 9:33am
Its quite a common (and scary) mod on the S13, the drift boys swear blind that the trackrods flex. Because obviously a piece of bar held on with three hose clips is going to make a huge difference to it... Given that there is sufficient force to make the factory trackrods flex, three hose clips don't stand much chance in the rigidity game laugh
Posted By: diggingdeeper Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 11:17am
Totally agree Danoh, that trackrod mod done that way makes no difference other than a adding bit of extra weight on the moving suspension. If they are that concerned why dont they just weld it.

I have no doubt the track rods do flex, but so do the tyres, the wheels, the wishbones and the chassis etc etc. The flex in the tyres must be enormously more than the track rod could create.
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 12:33pm
The best "feel" update one could do for a drift car is just to rose-joint EVERYTHING, additionally get some adjustable top mounts and wind on the caster. One of the cars I have worked on (mapped the engine management) over the years was Brett Castles S14, that was much as described above.

A scary risk I can see from those bars is what happens to your wheel when the bar flings out and gets jammed between the wheel and the caliper ... ripping brake lines and sending you through the pearly-gates in a drifty fireball!
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 1:48pm
Originally Posted by dan0h

A scary risk I can see from those bars is what happens to your wheel when the bar flings out and gets jammed between the wheel and the caliper ... ripping brake lines and sending you through the pearly-gates in a drifty fireball!


Yeah but what a way to go joyride omg skull
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 3:41pm
Nice car Tony, treat her well and she'll look after you wink
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 8:12pm
Originally Posted by polo_phil
Yeah but what a way to go joyride omg skull


Absolutely - its much better than rocking up in a wheel chair unable to recall what day it is. But, its best only to arrive when you intend to, no matter how cool the impromtu entry might be!
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 10:35pm
dan0h cheers for the info bud its not my 1st s13 think its my 5th lol

Brett castle was ny 1st drift idiol so anybody good enough to work on his car is good enough for me to listen to cheers.

The pikey mods shall be off the car tomora once the trackins sorted yeah stu noticed my mistake but still didnt fix it lol

The steering mod is on the knuckle its chopped and welded plus there us a 3mm spacer on the tension rods the pikey mod was the last owners idea of stopping the tension road from bending on full lock lol

have since put my old hatch and shall have a avcr and my kouki lights in by the end of the month.

Hoping the sxoc rolling road goes ahead on the 27th so i can see what power the car makes.

Oh and dan0h rb26's are sweet but very expensive to run my mates got a rb26 powered 13 (496 bhp i think) the reall problem though is heat while drifting for him.
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Nov 2010 10:37pm
Oh yes and i am after some sort of sponsor for next years ODC (open drift championships) if anybody wants to help lol
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 20th Nov 2010 1:22pm
The RB26 is a lovely thing. I worked for Abbey Motorsport for six years so saw my fair share, the heat is a major problem for the S13 as you say, more due to the lack of vents in the front smile

A much nice (though tougher to find) choice for the drift gang is the VH45DE, which is a 4.5 liter V8 from the Nissan Cima, it "does" fit in the S13, but its quite a rare engine, but being an N/A V8 it has loads of snort and no lag wink

For what its worth if you need any Nissan advise (I have fault codes and all manner of Nissan stuff) then give me a PM.

Good luck with the sideways action!
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 22nd Nov 2010 12:54am
cheers bud i am sure i'll be in touch its a nissan after all lol

Well the cars been handling alittle crappy not such a good turn in so got a mate of main to check the tracking it was well over 4 degrees out BOTH sides no wounder both front tyres were shafted thats all sorted now.

Also the pikey spec steering rod strengthen bits taken off as they didnt fill me with confidence as i thought they may come off lol good idea though.

Also put my old rear hatch on sad i know but the boots prob worth about £150 in stickers lol

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Car drives verywell and is alot quicker than i thought it would be needs a avcr but i might have that sorted by monday.

Also my kouki lights should also be on monday and i need to find were the zorsts blowing

Looking forward to mallory now on the 16th of dec.

Also thinking of removing the side skirts what do you recon?
Posted By: MrPhil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 22nd Nov 2010 1:32am
Slightly off topic dan0h but were toy at Abbey when they found a certain tool in an engine?
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 22nd Nov 2010 8:53am
Looking good happy

The side skirts do look a bit like they have been plonked on. But don't look terrible imo
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 22nd Nov 2010 9:21am
MrPhil : When did this occur? As I left Abbey in Feb 2008, on pretty poor terms, due to a number of issues with management. I was involved purely in engine management systems, heavy electronics (multi-stage NOS control etc), and mapping.

I had joined Abbey (having previously learned everything at Abbott Racing, specialist SAAB tuners in Essex) during the glory-days, so to speak. That was a time when they had a number of very high profile GTR customers (Rocket Ronnie, 3x TOTB winner + many people that "Wanted a car the same as ronnies!") with a lot of money to spend, the place was booming at the time and growing very quickly indeed, it was the first tuning house in the UK to have a hub-mounted Dyno, and as a tuner - I wanted to use the best kit, I also had an R32 of my own at that time, loved it to bits and wanted to be involved with them on a daily basis. However, this boom growth didn't last. Most of the problems for Abbey centre around people in the GTR scene not understanding the basic premise that the light that burns twice as bright, lasts half as long - the RB is not (despite what people think) a magic engine. If you want one of those you need a Toyota 2JZ-GTE! However, many decisions were made for customer cars (by management) that I did not agree with, and hence why I was unhappy there in my latter days, I became part of those (IMHO) poor decisions simply because I worked there - and I didn't want to be associated with some of the things that were going on.

However, in Abbey's defense, in around early 2007 they became the victim of a very unpleasant slur campain for a number of years, spearheaded by a very disgruntled and unpleasant (and known for this kind of behavior) customer, from which I don't believe they have ever really recovered. In order for my good name to not be tied with that brush, I chose to disappear while the ship was still afloat. A few events tipped the balance for me, but I had been looking to leave for maybe 5-8 months, so the straw that broke the camels back was actually quite welcome. Sadly that customer had become a friend of mine over the period we tuned his cars, but upon his fury with management, I became a target, and as a result - slurred by him also. The very definition of fair-weather friendship.

In order to act as testiment to my own quality and workmanship, immediately after I left Abbey I went to another tuner that invested in a brand new Dynapack ($72,000 at that time + test cell) on the basis of my experience and skills, so I like to think that I left Abbey still with my reputation intact.

The whole Abbey experience poisoned the GTR for me, its strange to see how people become about those cars (helped also by a very firey forum), its like a megalomania that people suffer with them. Its a nasty scene, and I was glad to be free of it. Moving to the Lotus market was a nice break!

Feel free to PM me if you'd like to enquire more, I prefer not to loose my professionalism by discussing too much in an open forum.
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 22nd Nov 2010 10:43pm
Koukis on looks much better

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Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 22nd Nov 2010 11:48pm
Defo. All UKDM cars should have had them in the first place!

Sileighty dude. You know you want to.
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 12:38am
Originally Posted by dan0h
Defo. All UKDM cars should have had them in the first place!

Sileighty dude. You know you want to.


Yeah you reading my to do list LOL

have a 2way nismo pro diff but for some reason the standard s13 backplate wont fit so might sell swap and have been offered some rota d1 rims might take him up as the 16s look the nuts but are just to small
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 8:36am
I saw a car very similar on the M53 on Sunday. I thought it wasn't this one because of the lights. but now the lights are the same as the one I saw think
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 8:46am
That'll more likely be a Skyline, I've seen a couple since I've been up here, theres a Gun gray (surprise surprise!) R32 knocking around fairly local.

S13's with Kouki's are rare as laugh
Posted By: StuyMac Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 8:56am
Kouki 180's are "rare as" too wink
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 9:00am
It wasn't a skyline... although it was in the distance... hmm
Now I'm doubting myself
Posted By: StuyMac Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 9:12am
How have you got your rear fog light wired up Tony?

I used a diode and used the inner brake lights on the Koukis so I didnt have to fit one of those ugly under bumper things!
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 4:06pm
Originally Posted by StuyMac
How have you got your rear fog light wired up Tony?

I used a diode and used the inner brake lights on the Koukis so I didnt have to fit one of those ugly under bumper things!


No of the above lol

when the car goes for a mot i'll chuck the standards back in wink

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I saw a car very similar on the M53 on Sunday. I thought it wasn't this one because of the lights. but now the lights are the same as the one I saw think


I only put the kouki's on, On monday bud havnt been on the 53 in it for awhile
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 4:13pm
Side skirts have now been removed looks better just left with little holes now.

Gave it a real good clean the bodys not very tidy at all but once i do Buxton though it will be much worse so not getting a respray just yet lol.

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Looking forward to my rolling at Dyno Demon on sat lets hope the car dosnt blow up lol
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 4:17pm
Looks better without happy

I could fit my head in that arch gap though wink
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 4:25pm
Cars to low as it is bud exhaurst catches on everything piddles me off lol
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 23rd Nov 2010 4:42pm
I was only joking. Looks good smile

What sort of power are you expecting?
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 24th Nov 2010 10:08pm
Originally Posted by polo_phil
I was only joking. Looks good smile

What sort of power are you expecting?


didnt think you was having a go matey xxxxx lol.

\i recon its only about 240/50 might be wrong as its quicker than i thought it would be.
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 24th Nov 2010 11:13pm
CA18's FTW. Much more characterful little engine than the SR20 thats for sure!

Post up the results when you can with the wheel figure, not the "estimated flywheel" garb that rolling roads usually give. You want to be basing your initial power judgements on a reasonably fixed reference point.

In the not too distant future there may be a branch of my current employers (No, not Abbey Motorsport!) up here as I am working on a feasibility study now, that means - a true and accurate Dynapack reading and a Wirral specific JDM experienced tuner...
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 25th Nov 2010 3:09am
Nice, will you be changing the colour?
What are these standard bhp?
Posted By: StuyMac Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 25th Nov 2010 8:34am
170bhp std Ste...

The CA certainly does have more character, it sounds nicer for a start raftl

The stock SRs seem to be built better from the factory though, Ive had loads of both engines, Ive had a few CA failures, and no SR failures.

Saying that, there are CAs that have been rebuilt and make just as much power as the SR with the right turbo.
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 25th Nov 2010 8:55am
Originally Posted by StuyMac
170bhp std Ste...

The CA certainly does have more character, it sounds nicer for a start raftl

The stock SRs seem to be built better from the factory though, Ive had loads of both engines, Ive had a few CA failures, and no SR failures.

Saying that, there are CAs that have been rebuilt and make just as much power as the SR with the right turbo.


Absolutely Stuy, the SR20 has that awful dull kind of boom to it, which I hate, whereas the little ol' CA's have a rasp, like they actually want to do what is asked of them.

The SR20's strength lay in its huge main and big end bearing journals, which far outsize the CA's weedy little RB style bearings, great for low frictional losses, not so good when badly tuned, any hint of det hammers the crap out of the bearing surfaces, and they don't tollerate it for long.
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 25th Nov 2010 4:18pm


Originally Posted by dan0h
CA18's FTW. Much more characterful little engine than the SR20 thats for sure!

Post up the results when you can with the wheel figure, not the "estimated flywheel" garb that rolling roads usually give. You want to be basing your initial power judgements on a reasonably fixed reference point.

In the not too distant future there may be a branch of my current employers (No, not Abbey Motorsport!) up here as I am working on a feasibility study now, that means - a true and accurate Dynapack reading and a Wirral specific JDM experienced tuner...


would be good as we dont have much round here

i#ll chuck the graph and post vids and so on sat.





Originally Posted by StuyMac
170bhp std Ste...

The CA certainly does have more character, it sounds nicer for a start raftl

The stock SRs seem to be built better from the factory though, Ive had loads of both engines, Ive had a few CA failures, and no SR failures.

Saying that, there are CAs that have been rebuilt and make just as much power as the SR with the right turbo.


yeah love the way the ca's sound they seemto rev better aswell.

I only want 300 (max) from the little engine anyways anything above starts getting expensive.

Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 25th Nov 2010 4:20pm
Originally Posted by _Ste_
Nice, will you be changing the colour?
What are these standard bhp?


stu's answered the bhp so i shall answer the colour.

I love them in grey they just look ace but when the body work needs attention (more than it does now lol) i'll prob go for a purple or a midnight blue
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 25th Nov 2010 7:16pm
Originally Posted by spinking

yeah love the way the ca's sound they seemto rev better aswell.


They do indeed, most likely attributed to its shorter stroke than the SR20.
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 26th Nov 2010 3:25pm
Nice mett deep purple grin
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 27th Nov 2010 4:52pm
Took the car to dyno demon to have a blast on there rollers

car made 239bhp at just 0.8 bar with 265 torques very happy with that need a hd stage 2 to sort the fuel ratio out and should see abit more power.

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Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 27th Nov 2010 9:40pm
Graphs from the rr

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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 28th Nov 2010 8:29am
Lol love it!
How low can you go whistle thought my bm was low haha!
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 28th Nov 2010 12:04pm
Not bad results at all, though I disagree with running in third gear (losses are all over the place) and the run lengths are way too short as an engine needs to pull approximately 350 RPM/Sec in order to give an accurate and repeatable run, this would be a run in the order of about 13-14 seconds for a CA18 from 2000-7000.

Fuelling a little rich, but not a bad baseline at all, personally I'd take it to a second dyno though, and get a longer run. smile
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 5th Dec 2010 11:54pm
yeah chips ordered to get rid of the fueling problem
Posted By: chris_gilly Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 6th Dec 2010 9:11am
Originally Posted by spinking
yeah chips ordered


plenty of salt n vinegar? grin
Posted By: polo_phil Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 6th Dec 2010 10:18am
Originally Posted by chris_gilly
Originally Posted by spinking
yeah chips ordered


plenty of salt n vinegar? grin


laugh
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 6th Dec 2010 10:39am
Originally Posted by spinking
yeah chips ordered to get rid of the fueling problem


Who are they coming from dude? Do you want to verify whats actually different in them before you put them in?
Posted By: StuyMac Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 6th Dec 2010 11:34am
Im guessing Tony has ordered one from H-Dev smile
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 6th Dec 2010 6:21pm
Yeah stu H-DEV stage 2

http://www.h-dev.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=5030&osCsid=db15059a14b7ce39bbaa643da86495c3
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 7th Dec 2010 2:57pm
Ahh. Good ol' Jez. Hopefully all will be well then smile
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 8th Dec 2010 10:52pm
hope so
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 11th Dec 2010 2:34pm
Not going to be everybodys taste but thanks to the guys at www.touge.co.uk i found away of hiding the hatch that was filled and fixed by stevie wounder.

I messed the E up on the bumper before you say lol.

Will be getting another carbon one nextyear but this will do for now.


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Posted By: _Ste_ Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 11th Dec 2010 3:17pm
hey dude, whered you get all the stickers from?
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 11th Dec 2010 3:23pm
The links in the thread ya nutter lol

www.touge.co.uk
Posted By: _Ste_ Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 11th Dec 2010 3:46pm
smack I`ve just read through the whole thread, lol.
I blame the beers last nite haha laugh
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 11th Dec 2010 5:22pm
Haha, definitely dori style laugh
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Dec 2010 10:41pm
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there is mucho more to come.

Car didnt miss a beat and i used a full tank of petrol made up with the car
Posted By: StuyMac Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 19th Dec 2010 10:49pm
Glad to hear it stayed reliable mate - maybe your luck has finally changed smile
Posted By: dan0h Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 20th Dec 2010 9:35am
CA ... FTW!
Posted By: spinking Re: 2011 and beyond drift car - 21st Dec 2010 5:45pm
Originally Posted by StuyMac
Glad to hear it stayed reliable mate - maybe your luck has finally changed smile


prob not lol
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