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#998861 - 22nd Jan 2016 7:44pm This should be stopped !!!
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Please please take the 10 secs required to sign this . Use a spare email address if you dont like giving your most used one .
Disgusting state of affairs .Poor poor creatures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we1xeip5P6I

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#998863 - 22nd Jan 2016 8:59pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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so what am i signing?

i watched a few seconds of a youtube video, was that it?

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#998866 - 22nd Jan 2016 9:08pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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The campaign and petition is HERE
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#998869 - 22nd Jan 2016 9:39pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Thanks DD, I must have done the link wrongly. How do I do that 'its HERE' thing please ?

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#998871 - 22nd Jan 2016 10:01pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Having seen too many of these vids' I can't watch it all but have signed and shared. I love rabbits and piggies. (as Van well knows grin )My heart aches.
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#998873 - 22nd Jan 2016 10:11pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Thank you grannie.You wonder how people can be so unfeeling dont you .

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#998880 - 23rd Jan 2016 1:05am Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Chick industrial lines.



Question is can we produce enough food without mass farming methods?

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#998887 - 23rd Jan 2016 7:45am Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Quote fish "question is , can we produce enough food without mass farming methods"?


Questions from previous centuries no doubt :-

Well how can we continue to produce enough material if we have to keep stopping the machines to clear the mess underneath ,instead of having small children crawling around doing it,it wouldnt be practical or cost effective.Cant be done.

How on earth would we clean out the large houses chimneys without the chimney boys going up, we'd have to charge twice as much to find a better way.Ridiculous idea.

What? Get rid of our slaves? No way, they need the jobs and they dont feel the same as us anyway.Large houses and estates couldnt survive without slaves, it would change our way of life. No way!

You want us to stop putting freaks in our circus ?- but the public love to see them - its a right laugh, and they make us loads of dosh and they cant work anywhere else, you must be mad to ask.

Why do we need to put the loonatics in decent accommodation-it would cost a mint and its not like they are proper human beings, and anyway,we make money out of the gentlefolk being entertained by them.Forget it!


The answer is ,fish, if something is morally wrong,its morally wrong, and you must find an alternative way even if its more expensive and requires huge compromise. Applied to the question you are asking, -- until science finds a way of making non sentient meat sources, then meat eating must be cut back severely, so that the fewer animals that are eaten , can be given a humane life and death.

I know religious people believe their god put animals on the earth for them to eat, but probably their god at that time never invisaged Eve would gobble the apple and mankind would grow to be so cruel! wink

There are plenty of places in the world where there is NO meat eating so its not a health problem to be vegetarian , probably the reverse actually with the amount of drugs that go into our food sources .

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#998888 - 23rd Jan 2016 8:09am Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: fish5133]
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Ive just watched your chick video fish, its extremely sanitized. Doesnt show or tell the upsetting parts like the male chicks are often put alive in a crusher, electrocuted by a wire or gassed to death.
Thats part of the problem ,people dont get to know the most horrible things , partly because the industry hides the truth, and partly because its too upsetting to watch undercover films which reveal it. Therefore there isnt enough outcry by people who WOULD be caring if they knew.

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#998981 - 23rd Jan 2016 9:24pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Originally Posted By: venice
Ive just watched your chick video fish, its extremely sanitized. Doesnt show or tell the upsetting parts like the male chicks are often put alive in a crusher, electrocuted by a wire or gassed to death.
Thats part of the problem ,people dont get to know the most horrible things , partly because the industry hides the truth, and partly because its too upsetting to watch undercover films which reveal it. Therefore there isnt enough outcry by people who WOULD be caring if they knew.


I find it "cruel" enough even though we only see the sanitised bit--poor chicks. I think if anyone sees the way any animal is slaughtered even if it has had a "good life" they would find it upsetting. In a perverse kind of way the killing of an animal that is living in cages with heaps of s**t below it seems more merciful than killing an animal that is having a good life roaming the fields.

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#998986 - 23rd Jan 2016 10:14pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Originally Posted By: venice
Thanks DD, I must have done the link wrongly. How do I do that 'its HERE' thing please ?


Code:
[url=ADDRESS]TEXT[/url]


ADDRESS is the address which must begin with http://
TEXT is word/words you want to appear.

A little demonstration to link to google but make it appear as SEARCH you type in .....

Code:
[url=http://google.co.uk]SEARCH[/url]


Which should produce ...

SEARCH

(ignore the code boxes, I have to use them so you can see what I typed, it also doesn't have to be capitals but makes it visually clearer that its a link if they are)


Edited by diggingdeeper (23rd Jan 2016 10:17pm)
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#998993 - 23rd Jan 2016 10:33pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Well said Venice in your posts. Signed and shared.

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#998994 - 23rd Jan 2016 10:35pm Re: This should be stopped !!! [Re: venice]
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Those poor little chicks. Arrival in this monstrous world.

Without taking chicks into account, how much food does one animal eat per day? More than each human, so why not save the cost of the food on animals, cost of running these enormous factories etc. The food still has to be grown, processed, manufactured, . Why can't they spend the same amount of time growing human food ? Orchards to increase wildlife to increase honey production for example.

Do we really need meat ? I once asked a vegetarian what she had for her Sunday dinner. Answer: "The same as you without the meat". Makes sense, but the meat tends to be the 'filler' and 'chew factor ' for the rest of us. We can chew raw carrots and fill up on cabbage. Don't think I could not manage total vegan, but could definitely manage veggie. Cheaper too.


Edited by granny (23rd Jan 2016 10:36pm)
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