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His son was born in Cheshire so I presumed he moved over here, not a lot of history on him which I find surprising.

Good man, DD!
..and maybe he was appointed to Chester, but I understood it to be Cottingham from the article I read. Granny probably got it wrong. He didn't seem to be here long enough for that,really.

He was in Chilham,Kent in 1871
Married in Kensington,London in 1887, baby born Hoole in 1888, and then moved to Cottingham 1889.Same year as the auction. Do we assume H,P.R. was the vicar at All Saints's Church, Hoole ? He died 1901 aged 53yrs. Had 4 children, William was the eldest.


William Havelock Chaplin Ramsden
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900


christening:

24 November 1888

Hoole, Cheshire, England


residence:

24 November 1888

, Hoole, Cheshire, England


father:

Henry Plumptre Ramsden


mother:

Ethel Frances Alice

All Saint's Vicar 1871-1907 was Frederick Anderson.

Previous to Chester, Rev H P Ramsden was Diocesan Inspector for Newcastle, appointed in 1881 and took up his post at Chester in 1882, succeeding J F Buckler who took up a post at Bedson.

Henry Plumtre Ramsden married Ethel Frances Alice Havelock.

Their son,

Major General William Havelock Chaplin Ramsden, Military Cross, 1918. DSO, 1939. CBE, 1940. CB, 1943.
Died, 1969, Aldershot.

Back to the Walking Stick,
We still need to know if M Roberts lived at Hawthorn Dene or the stick is referring to an area of Chester.

If it was the property, it may give us an understanding of his standing in society, previously being occupied by the Reverend and Mrs Maclaverty, very likely the wife of Lieut-General Maclaverty, RA.

The last person to own the stick, is his/her family history known.
Could it have been handed down from a Roberts relative?

Although it came to me via family , I didnt get the impression it was an 'heirloom', but Ill have a look back on the little family history there is on that side , and see if theres a Roberts .

I looked along Hoole Rd to see what houses may have been Hawthorn Dene . The most likely one, to me , is a building which is on the old map , next to the church, now a primary school called St Martins Academy . Its only been this school for a couple of years, was vacant a year before that (owned by local authority) but dont know its history beyond that .



Asking a family member , this stick is more likely to have come to us via the spouse of the person we thought - so the family werent gamekeepers , they were farmers , same area. Flintshire.

If the above is right, via an Edward Hooson born 30th Nov 1823 in Northop. Died 14th April 1881.He married Dinah Roberts in 1849 at Holywell. She was born in 1829 in Northop. No date of death.

If she was born in 1829 , its likely her father was born around 1800, so would have been 96 when the stick was presented, so not likely .I suppose its just possible she had brothers who would have carried on the Roberts name, and that one of Dinah's children inherited the stick from a cousin. Stretching it a bit though .

The most likely death for Dinah Hooson, 1913 aged 84, gives a birth date, 1829, registered at Holywell

Also in Hoole Rd is the Dene Hotel, has that name for a reason, even if not around at the time. Also in the correct time period, Hawthorn Villas, six in all.
I did wonder if one of these villas carried the name Hawthorn Dene, even though they are numbered 1 to 6 on the census returns.

I have the probates for Edward & Dinah if you would like me to post them, above death for Dinah is correct.

If youre saying that Hawthorne Deene was earlier,
Couldnt it have been on that hotel site though , and hence later the Dene hotel was partly called after it?

I will pm you Bert

This is a stretch Bert, but Hawthorn villas -Are they still there? Could they maybe have formed a private school -Hawthorn school-? Maybe too in the same way the Deene could have been mispelled Dene, it could also have been a misspelling of Dean ,as in Dean of a religious school in Hoole Rd Chester.
M ROBERTS -HAWTHORN DEAN - CHESTER.

Grasping at straws now lol! Google cant find any school deans called Roberts! - and why a present from Mold.

Alert Re-group, re-group.

Why are we concentrating on Hoole and have we forgotten about Hawthorn Dene of Puddington, that Greenwood originally mentioned ?

Details

SJ 37 SW PUDDINGTON C.P. THE VILLAGE

3/14 Hawthorn Dene and Lilac Cottage. 12.6.85 II Formerly farmhouse now 2 houses: early 18 century with later extension, upwards, to rear and to right side, some 20 century alterations. English bond and English garden wall bond red brick. Welsh slate roof and 3 brick chimneys. Double-pile plan. 3-storey, nearly symmetrical 3-bay front. Brick band at 1st floor and simple brick cornice. Windows are 3-light casements with transom, under segmental brick heads, simpler windows in top storey. Central wooden doorcase contains fanlight with vertical glazing bars and a 5-panelled door. Extension to right is of 2 storeys, and is now a separate house. Similar casements and added gabled porch against right side. Interior: heavy ceiling beams visible in Hawthorn Dene.


Add to that Bishop Wilson School, Puddington Lane, Burton.

But why would it state Chester then ?

Don't know. Maybe he had a new job in Chester.


Located within the City of Chester and West Cheshire according to this..

http://www.britishlistedbuildings.c...e-lilac-cottage-puddington-#.VorHov8rHmI

I don't know exactly where the Villas were and I haven't got a decent enough map of Chester, all I can say they were in Hoole Rd. Properties close to them, Bee Hive Hotel, Moor House, The Elms.