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#994382 - 10th Dec 2015 4:59pm Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers
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Trinity Mirror send out letters to some employees (delivery people) saying they will be self employed in 10 days time. Loss of holiday pay etc etc. Cost cutting exercise at the expense of the workers.

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#994411 - 10th Dec 2015 6:55pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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Speak to HMRC, they will tell them that regular deliverers are not self-employed - HMRC don't like companies trying to offload their tax and other responsibilities.

What is more worrying is that you need insurance if Trinity aren't providing it.
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#994457 - 10th Dec 2015 11:26pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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Since Thatcher crippled the unions, we are seeing more and more of this sort of thing.

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#994458 - 10th Dec 2015 11:27pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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Wirral News is full of ads and crap anyway. Not worth reading. It goes straight into the bin in our house.

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#994518 - 11th Dec 2015 5:09pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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This is the new order folks, the Tories have beem given carte blanche to do as they please, they tell tell us this is what "we" voted for, vicious nasty vindictive people they have peddled their lies about the economy that austerity is the only answer, the human rights act is a double edged sword it was put into place to protect us, but was hijacked by those using it for their own ends, but should it be taken away the most vunerable will be the ones who suffer, vindictive anti trade union laws, pay to seek justice at an industrial tribunal,five year rental agreements on council houses,you will have fracking, the ordinary person has been well stitched up, Sports Direct has been at it with their workforce, as I said little or no opposition, no doubt should any action be taken that will affect the Tory juggernaut those that participate will become the infamous "enemy within" stopping the "decent" people of Britain from earning a living

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#994731 - 13th Dec 2015 10:04pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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Poundland no better either. My niece was given a job and trained up with them . soon as she got to the age they have to pay the higher minimum wage its goodbye and they take on another load of 16 year olds.

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#994763 - 14th Dec 2015 10:05am Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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Its creeping in, soon it will be like the good ole USA people will need 2 or 3 jobs to pay their way, I understand the need to get people off benefits, however instead of a system that deals with the abusers they have inserted a one system suits all, I know of two people recently made redundant one late fifties the other just turned sixty, they have worked all their lives but now find themselves classed as benefit scroungers through no fault of their own, very unlikely to find another job they will be punished and hounded by the system, the real scroungers will still be getting their benefits, because they know the system works for them, newly unemployed will be pushed to take any job offered because they have the work ethic, whilst the idle will be left alone because they really dont want to work, and the job centre must show they are putting people into work, its the same as the tax people they will chase someone for 200 but will leave those that owe 50,000 because they have a better success rate and more cases dealt with, you only have to look at the so called celebrities that owe the taxman, yet still manage a good lifestye, put in a nutshell the wrong people are being targeted.

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#994766 - 14th Dec 2015 10:40am Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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That sounds like some info is missing. Surely there must be a work contract, and if its been changed from providing employment to self employment , the job has effectively been terminated (sacked) , and the employers need to explain why, and would owe redundancy payment ? It might even be unfair dismissal if their reasons arent good enough?

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#994767 - 14th Dec 2015 10:47am Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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Sorry my comment refers to fish's original post, I forgot to include the quote.

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#994769 - 14th Dec 2015 10:55am Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: venice]
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Good point venice, but knowing these "cowboy " firms they have most probably thought it through, they might of had them on short term rolling contracts just avoiding their rights.

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#994776 - 14th Dec 2015 12:32pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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Could be as DD says that the firm are just trying it on telling them they are not SE. They need to check their contracts. They wont actually have many rights if they are classed as 'workers' . Trouble is too , even if something turns out to be unfair/construction dismissal , legal costs these days of taking it up are prohibitive and unions no longer have the same membership/ie money to help many out financially .

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#994777 - 14th Dec 2015 12:32pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: Excoriator]
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Originally Posted By: Excoriator
Since Thatcher crippled the unions, we are seeing more and more of this sort of thing.


And how many years were Labour in power to redress the situation, but didn't?

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#994778 - 14th Dec 2015 1:03pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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oops , constructive dismissal. Sorry. Bad brain day.

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#994780 - 14th Dec 2015 1:28pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: Gibbo]
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Originally Posted By: Excoriator
Since Thatcher crippled the unions, we are seeing more and more of this sort of thing.


And how many years were Labour in power to redress the situation, but didn't?


Your post has some validity, however it doesn't change the fact that the Tories have pursued a vicious campaign against Trade Unions whom they see as a threat to their profiteering, it also goes back to the days of everything done to help the disadvantaged on the basis of socialism was rebranded as communism, good Trade Unionists became communist inspired agitators intent on harming the nation the same old Tory strategy divide and conquer, why now the reluctance to release the papers on the so called Shrewsbury six using the guise of national security? my bet it would expose the Tories as they truly are, insidious manipulators of the truth along with the illegal use of the security services, basically State controlled snooping.

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#994785 - 14th Dec 2015 2:52pm Re: Wirral News-Trinity Mirror Fleecing The Workers [Re: fish5133]
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When I was working I found the unions a pain in the arris. Always out on strike for spurious reasons, at times it was hard to get a full weeks pay. Other firms were worse. Also had other woes with unions at the time. They were not and are not the panacea for all workers ills. Something had to be done about them. Notice they are now trying to turn Liverpool into a "Superport", it used to be a super port but the unions got that knocked in the head when they wouldn't entertain containers, and what's the "Superport" going to be doing? Containers. I'm glad I'm out of it all.
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