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Yes, that's the one Snowshoes. Thanks

Hi granny, exactly my sentiment, looking at Paris on the news there appears to be a lot of Muslims out with placards decrying the attacks not in our name, it is heartening to see, the sad part is not much reaction or representation from the communities here, we have seen an odd spokesman on tv but that's all, I personally think to see such support would help in bringing communities closer together all united against terrorism, maybe its just me but I sense a great reluctance here to condemn other Muslims, they have no problems demonstrating for their rights nor about attacking our armed forces for involvement in Afghanistan, but perhaps I have been biased by media reporting, I did notice one Muslim girl say that she was proud to be a French Muslim whilst hold up a placard condemning the bombings as I said nice to see her support for her country.

Just read a post on facebook. There was a full page statement in The Telegraph today.

Ordinary Muslims have been expressing outrage but the media choose not to report it, apparently hence the decision to pay for full page advertising

Just read an article about 2 muslims attacking a man with baseball bats because he had converted from Islam to Christianity. Think it was Bradford.

Baseball bats don't tickle like feathers. That to my mind should be classed as attempted murder, apart from anti- Christian, and the punishment should be the same had it been the other way around.

One country, same rules. Then everyone knows what to expect.

Hello granny, yes it will be interesting to find out whether justice will prevail, I suspect that the Christian might be charged for offending Allah and that the assailants given a conditional discharge, so as not to upset anyone, or am I just being cynical?

Just thought on about this ,does anybody remember a judge giving an Asian child molester a longer sentence because his victim was Asian and more likely to suffer in the community? so it does appear that we do have variations in the law depending on different cultures, the same parallel we have between rich and poor when it comes to justice, should all justice not be the same as regards status or culture and religion? if we look at this instance then we are not all the same in the eyes of the law, this being the case you can understand it when people believe that other cultures are advantaged by their status and religion.

Yes, what's more the sentence was appealed and the appeal court agreed!

Its a difficult call, some agree the impact on the victim should be taken into account. My general opinion is that the crime itself should be looked at for criminal sentencing, not the outcome - the outcome is a civil matter not criminal.

Your opinion is at variance with the law: quote from the CPS.
"The court must pass what it judges to be the appropriate sentence having regard to the circumstances of the offence and of the offender, taking into account, so far as the court considers it appropriate, the impact on the victim."

I feel sorry when someone makes a mistake that millions of others do but circumstances produce an outcome that means they are penalised for something that is a commonplace event.

Cars sliding on ice is an example, some winters you see cars sliding everywhere (some extremely carelessly or even purposely) and rarely anyone gets charged unless someone is seriously injured (even in the event of a crash), but some unlucky sods get the book thrown at them because of the outcome, then they end up with a civil case against them as well. There is no significant measure as to how bad/accidental/unforeseeable the skid was, or how careful the driver was, its mainly the outcome that matters.

I remember a case about a small child that overdosed on a common painkiller, the mother was charged and dealt with quite heavy handedly. The child had climbed on a stool to get to the tablets and the tablets were probably more secure than in the majority of other homes (how many people keep poisonous substances under the kitchen sink). Millions of homes take the same or worse (illegal) risk, the mother and child were unlucky, the sentencing didn't see it that way.

A perverse example was when I had someone do a hit and run on my car, because nobody was injured and despite damage to my car no charge was brought. The outcome fully mitigated the crime????

I would like to see the actual crime and the outcome separated from sentencing.

I fully understand the part about the impact on the victim, however, does such a vile crime impact more on the victim if he/she is Asian? as to the reaction of the community to the victim, does this not highlight a problem within that community were they stigmatise a child for being a victim? and should not that community be judged on its response toward that child, and not on the paedophile who should be sentenced on his actions and the severity of the offences, not on the reaction of the community, after all what kind of society condones or participates in such behaviour toward an innocent child, I would suggest one that has no shred of human decency, and whilst they continue with that vein of backward thinking will never fully intergrate with a fair and just society.

These ISIS members who they are rounding up all over the place, should be kept in pits and if necessary starved to death. The world doesn't need to know what happens to them.

This group of hackers calling themselves 'Anonymous' have put out a world wide warning for tomorrow.

Now they say they had nothing to do with putting out that alert and they don't know which other group of cranks it may have been !

These people need taking down as well.

I (half) heard an item on the BBC World Service in the wee small hours this morning that "Anonymous" are going all out to disrupt the ideological crap spewed out by ISIS. IF that is true, maybe they can't be all that bad !

Bunch of anarchists ! If you read up on them, they seem to get involved in far too much and has been said that they are getting in the way of surveillance and other things now. That of course is just one review. Don't really know but it would seem they were involved in the Arab Spring and various Governments security and the US National Security Agency considered Anonymous a potential national security threat.