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quote DD

"If someone is caught with an arsenal of weapons in a peaceful place like the German case, as far as I'm concerned they have thrown all human rights away - electrodes in places they don't want them etc to make them talk."

This doesnt sound in line with your usual line of thought DD - that once you start acting outside the law ,you are as bad as the perpetrators and you lose your credibility for criticizing those who do things we dont approve of?

Im not against your comment particularly , I keep changing my mind about torture, all reports seem to indicate its not effective in so much as you get false info, but on the other hand ,pain to one person in order to save many, seems terrible but justified under certain circumstances .

How do you reconcile that statement with your condemnation of the assassination of Jihadi John? The Geneva Convention outlaws torture: either law is to be supreme or it isn't.

Posted before I saw Venice's post.

Because there should be a new convention, I am not suggesting it should be done illegally, I'm saying the law should be changed.

Oh, very convenient; you want a new law to conform with your opinion. I'm sure we all want that. As things stand, you are suggesting, or condoning, illegal torture.

Now we know where your priorities lie: you should be ashamed.

Totally misconstrued my sentence. To be fair I can see how. You are probably all too aware of the context of which it was intended.

There's no room for misconstruction.

Apparently torture is already legal - bombing innocent civilians in other countries would seem to me to fully comply with "the act of deliberately inflicting severe physical or psychological pain and possibly injury to an organism"

Looks like Cameron is likely to go ahead in attacking Syria very overtly in whatever way he wants, regardless of whether he gets a yes or no from Parliament. Things are looking extremely dangerous.

...and where next after Syria ? Iraq and/or Libya again. Nigeria, Somalia and every other country they are holed up in ?
Big army needed. Maybe the army of 200 million is not so far away.

Your sophistry cuts no ice with me: you know perfectly well that two wrongs don't make a right.

Are you talking about what is morally wrong or what is legally wrong?

It is morally wrong to imprison someone, if someone does something morally wrong knowing that they could be legally imprisoned for it then that becomes legally right even though it is still morally wrong.

Legal punishments are a compromise between morals and the protection of the rest of decent society. When someone is withholding information that is needed urgently for the safekeeping of others I see nothing wrong with torture - the victim is choosing to be tortured by withholding the information.

Whether we trust this sort officials with this power is another matter which also needs sorting out.

Words fail me. Are we to let criminals to remain at liberty to continue harming innocent people? Are you in agreement with J.Corbyn who has today said, in connection with the terrorist threat, that he isn't happy with a shoot to kill policy: what are our law enforcers expected to do when faced with a terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov and wearing a suicide belt; ask him to surrender???

A point I mentioned earlier, the French are now looking at removing the citizenship of those involved, a good idea deport them, all the rotten eggs in one basket removed from further infecting those that hate the western way of life and wish to impose their backward ideology and way of living on the rest of us, as to the comments made by excoriator re the war and terrorism, the type of terrorist that we now face will show no mercy to women or children or for that matter anything that can walk or crawl that disagree with their beliefs and will deliver torture and death in the most barbaric manner at least war has guidelines that protect the innocent to a degree.

I don't know what you are smoking DD - but give it up NOW ! That statement of yours takes the biscuit!