WikiWirral its great, register, enjoy and welcome.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,015,495
Topics74,948
Members12,945
Forums66
Posts in last 24hrs8
Most Online7,831
Apr 8th, 2013
Who's Online Now
37 registered members (8 invisible), 1,157 guests, and231 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
56 cctv
New General Forums
Not What You Expect?
by diggingdeeper. 18th Apr 2019 6:06pm
Julian Assange.
by snowhite. 17th Apr 2019 1:35pm
Potholes
by snowshoes. 11th Apr 2019 3:17pm
SAGA
by diggingdeeper. 4th Apr 2019 2:55pm
New Wirral History
Wallasey Man 1970s
by Markjon88. 11th Apr 2019 3:00pm
Looking for Joneses
by Markjon88. 11th Apr 2019 8:06am
1915riots
by Johnjcarruthers. 9th Apr 2019 9:47pm
Help to find family members /history
by Jones1407. 7th Apr 2019 10:59pm
WW2 USNavy large sheepskin trousers
by Bultaco. 15th Mar 2019 8:48am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
WW1 Monument, Birkenhead
No more bridge, never be the same
Topic Replies
What song are you listening to?
by Dilly. 20th Apr 2019 2:35pm
Army cadet pants
by Bultaco. 20th Apr 2019 12:29pm
Not What You Expect?
by Excoriator. 19th Apr 2019 6:08pm
Rescued Animals.
by granny. 19th Apr 2019 5:35pm
On This Day in HIstory
by snowhite. 18th Apr 2019 6:19pm
Electric Water Boiler / Tea Urn Wanted
by diggingdeeper. 18th Apr 2019 10:13am
Samsung tv
by Mike_Hoylake. 17th Apr 2019 2:41pm
cctv
by Excoriator. 16th Apr 2019 7:49pm
Project Fear III
by casper. 16th Apr 2019 12:00pm
April
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #986101
8th Oct 2015 12:27am
8th Oct 2015 12:27am
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,207
Wirral
Mark Offline OP

Wiki Master
Mark  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,207
Wirral
Thats a great link, i will add that to the first post.

When not to issue a fixed penalty notice
Donít issue an FPN if any of the following apply:
thereís no criminal liability
enforcement action is inappropriate or would be disproportionate for the offence
prosecution is more suitable
littering is done accidentally
No criminal liability
Donít issue an FPN in the following cases:
the person in question is exempt, eg a blind person whose dog has fouled in an area where a dog control order applies
the offender is a child under the age of 10 (inform the childís parents instead)

Originally Posted by diggingdeeper


The government has not lifted its FPN guidelines which states ...
Quote
Give offenders the chance to pick up litter before you issue an FPN. Warn them that you will issue an FPN if they donít.


SOURCE


First Post updated thumbsup

Last edited by Mark; 8th Oct 2015 10:33am. Reason: updated

My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile
Google Ads
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #986263
8th Oct 2015 10:20pm
8th Oct 2015 10:20pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,935
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Offline
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Offline
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,935
Heswallish


Definitely a good post about being given chance to pick it up


Government act also says dont issue FPNs when the littering is trivial. How do they define that--the size of the piece of litter? A 2cm fag end is trivial compared to a coke can or half eaten bag of chips.

Read somewhere that some fines are set at such a level that people just pay them without quibble.


Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #991356
13th Nov 2015 5:01pm
13th Nov 2015 5:01pm
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 3
Leasowe
J
Jross Offline
Beginner
Jross  Offline
Beginner
J
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 3
Leasowe
Thanks for the information I have already appealed on behalf of the lady unfortunately as I said the result was, we have looked at the body camera, and the enforcement officers have done nothing wrong therefore fine is upheld.
The government states that there is certain procedures they must follow and for them to wait until our friend was in the car and the taxi driver ready to drive off then knock on the car window and ask our friend to get out then start using phrases like £60 to £2,000 fines that causes great stress.

The other issue is the government's guidelines state tickets should not be given to vulnerable people in previous guidelines this was stated as mental health and homeless that guideline has been removed and new guidelines just state's vulnerable, and I think any opinion might see a 74 year old widow as vulnerable. The person who gave me the details of the appeal stated vulnerable was mental health only, not true.

The problem is our friend was upset and confused and her re collection differs to what they say is on the body cam.

Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #991553
15th Nov 2015 1:01pm
15th Nov 2015 1:01pm
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,430
Birkenhead
BandyCoot Offline

Forum Veteran
BandyCoot  Offline

Forum Veteran
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 5,430
Birkenhead
Wish they had back jigger litter police. Behind us is like a tip, the Romanians wouldn't be able to teach some Birkenheaders anything. Look out the window at the back and the dirty gits even urinate in the entry, amongst all their shoit I might add. Keep their cars nicely polished though, even though they do then put their bag of rubbish out of the car into the gutter. If you open your gob you would get a load of abuse and be victimised from then onwards, obviously. Dog crap everywhere on the pavements but I do see some dog walkers picking theirs up, thanks people. At the end of the day it's all about education and accepting responsibility for your own crap. Go visit a German town and see the difference. When we came back from Germany in the 90's it was a shock coming up from the railway station in London to see the state of the dump, then you get used to it.


Birkenhead........ God's own Room 101.
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #991855
17th Nov 2015 4:59pm
17th Nov 2015 4:59pm
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,207
Wirral
Mark Offline OP

Wiki Master
Mark  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,207
Wirral
@jRoss

I've updated the original thread : click Me


My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: diggingdeeper] #1021049
23rd Sep 2016 4:20pm
23rd Sep 2016 4:20pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 363
eastham wirral
G
gerry1 Offline
Old Hand
gerry1  Offline
Old Hand
G
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 363
eastham wirral
A question please
Well you go out to your garden, and cut the grass and if you have a brown bin you place it in for recycling.

Now the council do this all the time they cut the grass and then blow it all over the place and then leave some in the curb side, then the curb cleaner comes along an brushes it in the drains, then any that is left the wind gets up and blows it everywhere, so why don't the council get an £80 fine.IS Grass not classed as litter/rubbish.
The other thing I have noticed is when they cut the grass in the posh parts of wirral I don't see any grass cuttings anywhere, so is this a north/south devide. Gerry

Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #1021054
23rd Sep 2016 4:40pm
23rd Sep 2016 4:40pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
The council don't cut the grass, they contract the job out. If you see the contractors putting grass down the drains then report them - I have on a couple of occasions.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #1021109
23rd Sep 2016 9:38pm
23rd Sep 2016 9:38pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,935
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Offline
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Offline
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,935
Heswallish
Cutting the verges in irby they never collect but leave it as mulch. The roundaboutat noctorum is cut neatly and cuttings collected. So its not really north south divide. Just not practical to collect cuttings on playing fields..theygo over it to chop it fine for mulch.
We dont seem to have any recent litter police fines for dropping bookmarks or till receipts falling from shopping bags...they must have had training.
Getting a bit daft when i cant technically take a neighbours hedge cuttings the tip

Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: fish5133] #1056149
18th Jun 2018 3:14pm
18th Jun 2018 3:14pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 363
eastham wirral
G
gerry1 Offline
Old Hand
gerry1  Offline
Old Hand
G
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 363
eastham wirral
GRASS CUTTING AT ITS BEST, mad

As I have said, when it rains we will have floods because the sand/cuttings will go down the drains.
I have now had to clean my pathways again, so the question is do I put all the grass and sand in the brown bin or in the gutter with the rest.

Or do I report this to the litter police to fine this Labour council

Attached Files GRASS 5.JPGGRASS 9.JPG
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: gerry1] #1056150
18th Jun 2018 3:23pm
18th Jun 2018 3:23pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 363
eastham wirral
G
gerry1 Offline
Old Hand
gerry1  Offline
Old Hand
G
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 363
eastham wirral
more pics

Attached Files GRASS 7.JPGGRASS 3.JPG
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #1056151
18th Jun 2018 3:32pm
18th Jun 2018 3:32pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
Well that is not mulched, it is long cut!

If they actually blow it into the gutters, report them to the council, they have been told off about that before. If you really want to get snotty, report them to United Utilities as well, they are not supposed to put grass down their drains.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #1056179
20th Jun 2018 8:46am
20th Jun 2018 8:46am
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,935
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Offline
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Offline
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 3,935
Heswallish
Watched grass being cut outside Bidston Ave school the other day and it was really high. Credit to the grass cutter bloke he went back over the same bits 3 or 4 times to mulch the grass down into smaller pieces..

Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #1057209
25th Jul 2018 6:57pm
25th Jul 2018 6:57pm
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,683
Bebington, Wirral
D
DavidB Offline
Wiki Guide
DavidB  Offline
Wiki Guide
D
Joined: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,683
Bebington, Wirral
I was caught by one of these fuckers when I placed a used cigarette down a grid because the bin right next to it was full and overflowing.
The charge was ‚Äėdropping litter onto the floor‚Äô, which I‚Äôve not done in my life. I‚Äôll put it in my pocket next time and burn to death.

Incidentally, he followed me 1/2 a mile and I was fully aware of him filming me throughout.


"C20 LET bang"
Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #1058936
16th Sep 2018 3:08pm
16th Sep 2018 3:08pm
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 145
Seacombe
K
keef666 Offline
Enthusiast
keef666  Offline
Enthusiast
K
Joined: Dec 2013
Posts: 145
Seacombe
Just reading all those on the list gave me a headache, so you get a fine if you drop litter, that's great the place is a dump, can't believe so many people put up with it, but if you put your litter in a litter bin will you be fined as well, and i quote
"Because you have :
throw down, drop or otherwise deposit and leave litter in any place open to the air is a criminal offence, even when dropped on private land or water.
And you will be charged under :
Section 87 of the Environmental Protection Act 1990 (EPA), as amended by the Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act 2005, makes it an offence to drop, throw or deposit and leave litter anywhere." Get the last part, Leave litter anywhere, so that means in a litter bin.
I understand that Kingdom who do this fines on the public get £44 the Council gets the rest, but if you fined people £20,000 the place would still be full of litter

Re: Litter Police : Clean Neighbourhoods Act 2005 [Re: Mark] #1058946
16th Sep 2018 5:20pm
16th Sep 2018 5:20pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 12,470
Birkenhead
If you place "litter" in a litter bin then there is a section that allows this ....

"Section 87(4A) of the EPA 1990, no offence is committed where the litter is: (a) authorised by law or (b) done by or with the consent of the owner, occupier or other person having control of the place where it is deposited."

I think its taken that Councils consent to the use of their litter bins for the placement of litter.


In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell

We should judge our economy by the absence of poverty, not the number of billionaires - Jeremy Corbyn
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Army cadet pants
by Bultaco. 20th Apr 2019 12:29pm
Not What You Expect?
by diggingdeeper. 18th Apr 2019 6:06pm
cctv
by uptonbaz. 14th Apr 2019 2:40pm
Get your cat neutered.
by venice. 14th Apr 2019 10:50am
Wallasey Man 1970s
by Markjon88. 11th Apr 2019 3:00pm
For Sale & Free
Electric Water Boiler / Tea Urn Wanted
by Reno37. 17th Apr 2019 9:56pm
Samsung tv
by Mike_Hoylake. 17th Apr 2019 2:41pm
Looking for a old Bench Grinder
by Bultaco. 15th Apr 2019 9:27pm
Dart Board
by chrislfc87. 14th Apr 2019 7:40pm
Socket set
by Heidi123. 14th Apr 2019 1:39pm
Member Spotlight
_Ste_
_Ste_
New Brighton
Posts: 16,154
Joined: August 2005
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
Shellster, LonelyDartsClub, kevnaff, ae179s, Jothesniper02
12945 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Army cadet pants
by Bultaco. 20th Apr 2019 12:29pm
Bouncey thing
by Bultaco. 24th Mar 2019 11:42am
New Council Tax bill 2019
by keef666. 18th Mar 2019 11:13am
Builder problems, advice needed
by TudorBlue. 12th May 2017 7:24pm
New Brighton Hotel name and information?
by PaddyHaig. 14th Apr 2013 4:07pm
News : New Topics
Egg run
by lincle. 7th Apr 2019 10:27am
Office Supplies.
by Excoriator. 4th Apr 2019 3:39pm
New Brighton has a dream ?
by GaryFromWirral. 3rd Apr 2019 2:53pm
Another "Austerity" Measure
by diggingdeeper. 24th Mar 2019 6:18pm
Giant rabbit startles motorist.
by Excoriator. 17th Mar 2019 9:58am
New Enthusiast Forums
Get your cat neutered.
by venice. 14th Apr 2019 10:50am
If this IS a scam, it stinks.FB post
by venice. 5th Apr 2019 10:27am
Exploring with fighters ... on the ferry
by GaryFromWirral. 26th Mar 2019 12:05am
New Brighton Tunnels ??
by GaryFromWirral. 26th Mar 2019 12:02am
Ladybird Books on Brexit
by granny. 24th Mar 2019 11:22pm
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 6:00am
Sunset Sat 8:22pm
Local Time Sat 4:08pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1