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Thankfully I'm neither racist nor islamaphobic but I am painfully aware that we do have a serious homelessness problem and a large number of these are ex forces. I am more than happy to help, but a heamoraghe needs more than a sticking plaster! This situation does not need drones,bombs or Brit/allies Boots on the ground it needs containing. There are men from Syria,who need to make a stand for their own country but amongst those "refugees" are people who are from sub Saharan Africa who have seen an opportunity and jumped on the band wagon. If we are seen to be weak the numbers now seen will be shadowed by those who will follow!
A very distressing situation but if it is genuine fear that drives these folk then safety not destination must be priority surely?

Welcome Susan, hope you enjoy Wikiwirral.

With reference to the above I think the reason they are not fighting is because they don't know who is fighting who. Civil war with regime army against rebels, and the involvement of ISIS, is not a situation that many would want to become part of. Who would wish to kill their neighbours or family and friends. Watch their children slaughtered by ISIS ? A terrible dilemma and the world doesn't know what to do. Has that ever been an issue before ? I doubt it.
It took us long enough to get Ireland stable, so this war is not going to go away so quickly as we know it's a far bigger war, and spreading.
The world is caving in at an alarming rate and we are all about to become a part of that, whether it be offering asylum, supporting the Save the Children, another recession, or even food shortages. In this country, we are at least in a position to give help and overall we are a nation of good will. So maybe that will be our most redeeming quality.

The more I read and see about the mass exodus the more I believe we are being taken for suckers, I have no doubt that a large number are bona fide refugees, however I think that they are greatly outnumbered by the economic migrants and this is the reason we see large numbers of young men, they appear well fed and clothed and travelling light without the encumbrance of families, a couple of recent statements taken from or by the media:
Ahmed Alizodar a student from Kabul "we have our dreams and we cant fulfill our dreams in Afghanistan" journalist, Croatia has been shunned by the migrants due to its homogenous population and poor economy, Ahmed another 17yr old student travelling with a group of students from Kabul we will wait it out as long as it takes, not one has mentioned fleeing for their lives, in fact they seem quite at ease, I have the feeling that the majority of so called refugees are economic, and if there are checks done and this found to be so the Germans say they will be returned, can anybody forsee a problem arising?

It's kicking off at the Hungarian/Serbia border. Weapons (bottles,bricks etc) being thrown at police and army. Barriers broken through. Army, helicopters, ambulances.

There are a many who do not appear to be Syrian.

Looks like the poor downtrodden refugee mask has slipped, replaced by let me in or else, pity they weren't so forceful against isil, you can bet its not the families but the gangs of young men, as you say things are taking a turn for the worse, I can see fatalities before long, as I said earlier when the none refugees are refused as Germany has said they will be and I envisage large numbers, there will be chaos they will refuse to leave, so what happens then were will they go to deportation camps? off to Calais? in the haste to show themselves as the saviour of refugees they haven't taken into account the logistics of the whole thing.

Using children as human shields.

Mr Cameron has done the right thing with a controlled asylum policy. Let's hope it works out for us.

Map of Europe, which I think is quite a good one. They are now aiming for Croatia .

Just heard an interview on BBC News with an Hungarian official. He told the reporter that these people are using children as human shields and actually throwing kids on the police. Strange how the cameras missed these incidents as they were filming the crying women holding babies.

I had noticed last night that kids were at the front of the queue at some gates which shows how orchestrated/manipulative this is, would you put your kids in that position if there was a "desperate" crowd behind them?

There are genuine refugees but seeing some of the organisation going on in various places I'm wondering if ISIS is the ringmaster in some of this?

Live reporting earlier


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Man next to me is improvising a knife out of razor wire. If this gate comes down it could get v dangerous here.

They are going to have to make a double fenced no man's land, the rules are clear and is the most effective way of segregation and control.

Pandora's box has been opened and no matter what is said on here everybody can only wait and see what happens. Personally I don't reckon it's going to be good, looking into the future but without a crystal ball. Time will tell.

Yeah Bandycoot, think you are right. Very frightening...

Fazakerly ! A perfect vehicle for the ISIS animals/sucm* to get closer to our shores.

* Prevented from spelling it correctly.

Well it is not looking good at all Bandy infact it is already out of hand.we all saw this crisis comming.