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cools #983452 14th Sep 2015 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by cools
All I say is watch this space , don't expect him be around long. As I say just my opinion.


Big tick in the box Cools.
It's also amazing how Andy Burnham has muscled in. He's played a clever game. Once he knew that he was out of the picture for leader, he started to make connotations in support of Corbyn's policies. I believe he is still hoping for the top job once Corbyn is de-throwned, and he's playing his cards accordingly.

Who can trust a turncoat ?


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Originally Posted by casper
Exactly Gibbo, two days and he has been savaged, as I said earlier, the press the Tories, all seem to know what his agenda is before he has picked his people, JC the bogeyman


And he's proved them wrong by having over 50% women in the shadow cabinet.

I don't know whether its just a slow news period or if the BBC really do have it in for him.

As for Burnham, maybe its a case of keeping your friends close and enemies closer? I can't stand the man, he'll say whatever he thinks people want to hear.

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It's amazing how many people can see into the future and know exactly what is going to happen, what Jeremy Corbyn's hidden agenda is, etc.


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https://theyhavewidescreentvs.wordpress.com/2015/09/12/why-the-right-hate-jeremy-corbyn/

Jeremy Corbyn has been elected as the new leader of the Labour Party. His victory has been described as “sweeping” and already the hate from the right wing media and their Tory friends has started.

There are a raft of reasons why Jeremy is hated by the right and here is a look at the most common ones..

.He opposes austerity: Austerity is the mantra of the right and the Tories in Britain today and anyone who opposes and stands up against the lie that we need sweeping cuts to public services and welfare to make our economy stronger is labelled as a heathen. Jeremy sees that lie and so have Labour who have voted for a leader who’s strongly against austerity.

.He views the poor as human beings: The right wing media and the Tories see the poor has inhuman ... and dirt on their shoes. They and their rich mates see poor people as feckless scroungers who are a drain on “hard working taxpayers” and who need to be culled. Meanwhile Jeremy Corbin sees the poor as human beings and views them with decency, humanity and compassion. That just won’t do for right wingers and they castigate him for it.

.He is against benefit sanctions: Anyone who opposes the murderous, penalising and disgraceful human rights abuse of benefit sanctions is labelled as a wet, lefty, soft touch who wants unemployed, sick and disabled people to sit on their bottoms and “languish” on benefits drinking cans of Stella and watching the Jeremy Kyle Show. The Tories and their propagandists in the mainstream media have framed opposition to people having their benefits cut has “apologists” for laziness and idleness by the poor. Of course the reality is that those who oppose the disgusting sanctions regime are standing against people being subjected to starvation, poverty and death. But as the right wing and the Tories want all those things for the poor, the sick and the disabled those who oppose it get attacked from every angle.

He’s anti war: Oh the right wing media love a good war and they see dropping bombs on innocent people’s heads in other countries as the solution to much of the world’s problems. Jeremy will not cave in to those using the tragedy of the war in Syria and the deaths of men, women and children fleeing conflict and death to call for more death and destruction in impoverished parts of the world. For this he’s labelled and smeared by the media as apologists for ISIS and accused of supporting violent extremist regimes. Anyone who opposes the wars engaged with and created by our Western leaders are attacked as supporters and fans of terrorists. It’s slanderous and lies designed to distract people from the real architects of war and violence around the world… the rich.

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I am not keen on all of his policies rude but would back him I believe he is a genuine man that wants a reasonable living for all not just the select few, however to fly in the face of capitalism wont make the journey an easy one, too many with to much to lose.

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Originally Posted by casper
I am not keen on all of his policies rude but would back him I believe he is a genuine man that wants a reasonable living for all not just the select few, however to fly in the face of capitalism wont make the journey an easy one, too many with to much to lose.


Likewise I don't agree with all his policies but I feel he realises that his ideals have to be negotiable and he appears to have no hidden agendas.

These days honesty is biasing my support more than politics, genuine empathy and morality also gains numerous brownie points.

He is also flying in the face of the media which will be an extremely rough ride and severely limit getting any of his messages out verbatim.

I think a lot of us have voted him in and are now apprehensive about what happens next but a lot of that apprehension is due to our inherent distrust in politicians from experience.

Having a massive mandate from his electorate is good but will only hold of the right wing labour party people so long, he's going to need unswerving support to survive the future.

I can't express how happy I am that we have a significant socialist party in the country again, even if it never gains control its presence is still a necessity.


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Well put DD

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Disgusted in how the media have blown up out of proportion Corbyn's not singing the national anthem (how many of us know the words past the 1st verse). Do they point out English team players who don't sing or just mime singing?
I usually think of "god save our team" then.
Also whether he wears a white or red poppy

Are these things to take our minds off more serious events happening that will affect us or the Tories running slightly scared of his policies)?

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It's not the Tories who should be scared of his policies but the whole country. We're doomed anyway but it's just going to speed the cycle up a bit now. Not a socialist at 20, no heart. Still a socialist at 30, no brain. Rumour control has it that there are paid activists proclaiming on this site anyway so I'd take it all with a pound of salt.
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Originally Posted by derekdwc
Disgusted in how the media have blown up out of proportion Corbyn's not singing the national anthem


Yep, the media really have it in for him. Farage must be relieved that they've got someone else to bully now.

What is it with them? Slow new period, love for New Labour (I'm mainly looking at the BBC here), or just hatred for the old left?

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Singing the Red Flag and the media has it in for him? Stop the world I want to get off.
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Being very cynical as i am
As casper hes mentioned...
In 1997 blair was the "breath of fresh air socialist" the people craved...look how that turned out!!
Hes like a grandad But weve 5 years of cameron left,alot of damage ahead.
Mps have no real power
Big business .banks ,run the country .they dont.

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Yes, Blair was quite good at first, then he was clearly nobbled, did a favour for someone and that led to a perpetual blackmail to keep him under control, the start was over tobacco advertising. Eventually he just happily became one of the corrupt but as PM he was still a lot better than Brown who should never have been made PM.

I don't think Corbyn is quite so gullible/corruptible/nobblable.


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Read all about it! Jeremy Corbyn had his leg over with Dianne Abbot 40 years ago (telegraph) Dianne Abbot attacked another woman minister while JC stood by and did nothing (she had a verbal disagreement if you read the article) still lets not let the truth stand in the way of a good story eh.

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Read all about it! Jeremy Corbyn had his leg over with Dianne Abbot 40 years ago (telegraph) Dianne Abbot attacked another woman minister while JC stood by and did nothing (she had a verbal disagreement if you read the article) still lets not let the truth stand in the way of a good story eh.


Pity the press hasn't something more important to print. Like the threat of Isis via the immigration crisis.

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