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#960773 - 8th Sep 2015 8:42am Drones in syria
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Does anyone else get annoyed when military actions are made public. I think it should be done quietly and covert as it used to be. All this complaining now about the drone killing two IS members who were planning to bomb and kill on the streets on London. Use any means possible in my opinion we don't need to know everything, pussyfooting about is not working..

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#960775 - 8th Sep 2015 8:52am Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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I quite agree Cools, any method at all as they don't give a shit who or how they kill. Why Cameron is being questioned over the decision is beyond me,maybe we should just let the terrorist ... rule the world .

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#960780 - 8th Sep 2015 9:45am Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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He announced it in Parliament yesterday, and needless to say Harriet Harman and others had to make a meal of it and use it as another brownie point scoring exercise.
He had to tell them but it is other departments that will not release every snippet of information publicly.

Not only that, they were all still on holiday anyway!

Cameron gave as much information as he possibly could and as he said, had there been a tragedy here he would have got the blame for not stopping that happening too, and he wasn't prepared to take a chance on such an atrocity.
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#960782 - 8th Sep 2015 9:56am Re: Drones in syria [Re: granny]
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I am annoyed at the News headline isis fighters killed by RAF drone, why must they give this ... credibility, it should have read isis terrorists, to suggest they are fighters is outrageous it gives them some moral right as if they are defending something instead of trying to impose their odious religion on everyone, again we are bending over backwards, the families demanding to know the details, its as simple as this the little terrorist shits were somewhere they shouldn't have been, no doubt there will be banners out decrying what has been done, our forces being called murderers. mad

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#960784 - 8th Sep 2015 10:31am Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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Makes me wonder who will be first on here to defend the shite, I could hazard a guess.

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#960785 - 8th Sep 2015 10:48am Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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We need to know exactly what our government is doing when they are acting as aggressors.

If Syria, Iraq or Afganistan had come across and performed attacks in Northern Island or The Falklands when we were having trouble I don't think we would have appreciated it.

We are leaving a trail of unfinished business, when that trail gets too long we will be obliterated. Don't forget the mess we have left behind in Africa!

We should be policing borders not whole countries, what right have we to turn civil wars into global conflicts.
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#960791 - 8th Sep 2015 12:01pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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Yep , say no more Dilly....

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#960792 - 8th Sep 2015 12:10pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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As far as I am concerned DD they need taking out before they get the chance to do anything. They are our enemy and their crime is already done by joining up with such evil , you know the risks so be it. No sympathy whatever for these two and I say strike harder..

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#960801 - 8th Sep 2015 1:52pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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As far as I am concerned DD they need taking out before they get the chance to do anything. They are our enemy and their crime is already done by joining up with such evil , you know the risks so be it. No sympathy whatever for these two and I say strike harder..


Pre-emptive strikes are exactly how everybody got in this mess.

Name the last attack by UK or America on any foreign soil that has had a successful outcome, we've gone bombing round the world and left a total mess - we have 100% proof that our strategy is completely wrong - but hey, lets carry on doing it anyway.

Short of using a large number of nukes you can't eradicate a country. The only solution is money and wasting money on weaponry isn't helping to create the funds that are necessary to bring about peace.
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#960805 - 8th Sep 2015 2:53pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: diggingdeeper]
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A job well done imo. If only we'd had them in the days when we were fighting the neo-fascist IRA. We could possibly have prevented human rights abuse such as this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34183733

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#960808 - 8th Sep 2015 3:00pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Lets just leave them alone then eh DD, lets do nothing, lets fawn and throw money at the problem let them see we have no arse and will allow them to do as they please throw a few more mosques up and send the kids to school in their dads shirt and then we will all be integrated, plenty of breaks at work to get our little mats out, chain the wives to the sink job done welcome isis

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#960810 - 8th Sep 2015 3:08pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: philmch]
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A job well done imo. If only we'd had them in the days when we were fighting the neo-fascist IRA. We could possibly have prevented human rights abuse such as this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34183733


Off topic but do you know that during "the troubles" of the 1960s that Most of those killed in the Troubles were civilian, over 2000 in total. Of those the majority, some 1270, were Catholic. Almost 730 Protestant civilians died.
In all, over 300 full and part-time police officers as well as just over 200 members of the Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) were killed. Many were targeted while off duty, killed going about their routine because of their uniform but not wearing it. Protestants made up the vast majority of local security force ranks and, therefore, their dead. Fewer than 40 of the RUC officers, reservists and UDR members killed were Catholic. Just over 500 members of the regular Army were killed.
Some 400 republican paramilitaries died, most of them members of the IRA, and almost 170 loyalist paramilitaries. A significant number of paramilitaries were killed by their own organisations as alleged informers, in premature explosions and by rival groups during feuds.
The violence was not confined to the paramilitary groups alone. The security forces were responsible for 367 deaths. The facts surrounding many of these killings are still disputed, and allegations of security force collusion with loyalists have led to persistent demands for investigation. The vast majority of these demands come from the nationalist and republican communities. Of almost 200 civilians killed by the security forces, all but 23 were Catholic. Of more than 150 paramilitaries killed by the security forces, fewer than 20 were loyalist.


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#960814 - 8th Sep 2015 4:19pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper


If Syria, Iraq or Afganistan had come across and performed attacks in Northern Island or The Falklands when we were having trouble I don't think we would have appreciated it.


Perhaps this isnít the best analogy DD, The IRA got weapons and semtex from Libya and were supported in training and with cash from the Gaddafi regime.
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#960835 - 8th Sep 2015 6:04pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: cools]
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Remembering a trip I did with my husband about 1976, incorporating Libya. We docked at Dublin on the way home and the ship was held upfor couple of days, due to searching . (looking for arms etc.)

The only thing the dog decided was of any interest, was dragging my knickers out of a draw! Total embarrassment. blush


Edited by granny (8th Sep 2015 6:07pm)
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#960837 - 8th Sep 2015 6:11pm Re: Drones in syria [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
Remembering a trip I did with my husband about 1976, incorporating Libya. We docked at Dublin on the way home and the ship was held upfor couple of days, due to searching . (looking for arms etc.)

The only thing the dog decided was of any interest, was dragging my knickers out of a draw! Total embarrassment. blush

Just be grateful you weren't wearing them at the time Granny smile

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