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We were saddam haters.....yet he kept the lid on it all. It's a mess alright. But thumbs up to Cameron on this one!!!
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Got to agree with you there Lolly about Saddam. If we had not interfered I wonder would it have been this bad? Yes he was a dictator along with the others but it wasn't our war and as you say he kept a lid on it. Too late for that now we've got to try and find a solution to this horrible situation..
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We got him on war crimes....but it was isis he was killing. We Involved ourselves again, made a mistake, hung him...etc....., but hindsights a great thing.
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So would it be ok for Syrians/Iraqis to send a drone to the UK and kill people in the UK that were planning to join ISIS???
We don't do charity in Germany, we pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn https://ddue.uk
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Lets just leave them alone then eh DD, lets do nothing, lets fawn and throw money at the problem let them see we have no arse and will allow them to do as they please throw a few more mosques up and send the kids to school in their dads shirt and then we will all be integrated, plenty of breaks at work to get our little mats out, chain the wives to the sink job done welcome isis Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing surely? How do you think that relative peace came about? it wasn't by throwing warheads at them, it was by throwing a relatively small amount of money in the right places.
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The difference here DD is these were not planning to join the IS , they allready were fully affiliated members and willing to commit any atrocity they could on in the name of Islamic State. And as far as being British citizens as I heard today on the news , in my mind they lost that when they pledged allegiance to IS. Nero comes to mind ( twiddling his thumbs while Rome burns)...
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It was the likes of Harperson with multiculturalism that made Luton and parts of Oxford and Rochdale what they are today. Integration would minimise radicalism.
If the use of drones to take out makes so called Isis warriors look up in fear then its all good to me.
Maybe it will reduce the progress of UK potential Isis lads, and lasses to Syria then that is good also.
Well done RAF
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Lets just leave them alone then eh DD, lets do nothing, lets fawn and throw money at the problem let them see we have no arse and will allow them to do as they please throw a few more mosques up and send the kids to school in their dads shirt and then we will all be integrated, plenty of breaks at work to get our little mats out, chain the wives to the sink job done welcome isis Doing nothing is better than doing the wrong thing surely? How do you think that relative peace came about? it wasn't by throwing warheads at them, it was by throwing a relatively small amount of money in the right places. So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak. General Sun Tzu, The art of war. Turning the other cheek wont work with these people, they are fanatics, they don't negotiate, think Kamikaze, but instead of divine wind, read the breath of allah, all queuing up to get into the pants of the 17 virgins, are they going to be disappointed. 
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I'm still waiting for all the success stories of the John Wayne approach to stabilisation.
If you can show me one example of where it has succeeded on foreign soil with modern weaponry I would be amazed.
The list of failures is endless.
It doesn't work, it creates more deaths not less.
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So far as failure is concerned, boat from Libya to Italy it looks as if they could have already arrived. (February) He who hesitates is lost! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...g-to-use-Libya-as-gateway-to-Europe.html
Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
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All "guns a blazin" DD.....its the only way!!! I know it, you know it and its exactly what they deserve.
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Perhaps we should get involved in the Russia Ukraine conflict and help the Ukranians. Remember all the loud brave talk from Cameron aimed at Russia following the downing of the Malaysian plane. Political soundbites. Taking out a couple of wayward expat nutters with unmanned drones is just flexing your muscles.
Agree a little with DD in that the genie is out the bottle and in the long run it will achieve naff all.
Who was it who said "the world is now a safer place" Bush and Bliar.
Got no problem with any british muslim who wants to go and join ISIS-the more the merrier-they are better out of this country. Will give our drone controllers a bit more target practice. But it will have its repercussions.
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Those wayward expat nutters had the potential to cause mayhem and bring death to the streets of our country, the season of peace on earth and goodwill to all will be upon us soon, a Christian festival, packed shopping centres, trains etc people loaded with parcels the ideal target to cause maximum casualties, so other than taking direct action, what is the solution? Send a letter to Mr isil asking him to please not do any thing
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