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#959351 - 27th Aug 2015 12:47pm Immigration Crisis
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In just one year approximately 640,000 people moved into the UK while only 310,000 moved out.

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#959360 - 27th Aug 2015 2:17pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Could it not be another figure fixing exercise to shut Germany up from putting pressure on Britain to take more migrants ?
Even Germany's suspected figures for 800,000 migrants this year is above and beyond rational thinking. There is only about 300 thousand (or less) entered Europe this year apparently. Figures are just not adding up, anywhere.

Germany are taking mainly the Syrians, and Kosovo's knowing full well they will be repatriated after the troubles are over. Slightly different for the migrants wanting to come to UK.
One thing that bothers me, is why many of those at Calais, cover their faces. It's not a very good signal.

Germany are now panicking ,due to their rules for Europe and now they are being targeted more. They are jumping hoops trying to relieve a bad situation rising on their home territory. Mrs Merkel,or any of them to my knowledge, have not made any major speeches of any concern with regard to the migrants entering Greece, Italy and Spain even though they have endlessly called for help in a bad situation and their target country was mainly UK. The tide has changed and she/they don't like it now.

How is it that the Dublin Treaty has not been enforced ? Probably because this so called unity does not really want to be united at certain times, and why aren't the migrants in Calais registered in France now? Some have been there long enough to have a residence permit! I suppose France's argument is that they should be registered in Italy and so on. There's not much point in having treaties that aren't enforced.

I also wonder how all these thousands of people are able to buy food, water, clothing, tents, nappies, shoes, (as shown on bulletins ) where is their money coming from, considering they are supposed to have given it all to people traffickers ?

Another thing that puzzles me, is we are not hearing any stories from these migrants, of the situations they have fled from. No personal stories to back up their claims of torture, starvation , cruelty etc. Why not ? Maybe there is an answer to that , such as confidentiality. They do not look malnourished considering their alleged arduous journeys and I wonder if there is an element of 'cleansing' happening in some of these countries.
Which country was the man from who had his child with him and said all the women have been killed ? Why is it nearly all men coming and abandoning their families. There is something or many 'somethings' that don't ring true and/or we are being kept in the dark.
I feel bitterly sorry for those affected particularly the mothers and children, but there has to be more to this than people traffickers and I would hate to think that it could be a manipulated extension of the 'caliphate'

Maybe that's getting a bit too extreme at the moment.

Keep on with the false migration figures Cameron.




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#959367 - 27th Aug 2015 3:16pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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With regard to food, shelter, shoes etc etc there are many individuals/ groups travelling to Calais with donations.

There is a group from Wallasey going next week. See 'Calais Human Beings' on facebook.
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#959368 - 27th Aug 2015 3:49pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: RUDEBOX]
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Thanks. Have sent a message for drop off point.
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#959376 - 27th Aug 2015 4:23pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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In 2014 the net migration into Europe was around 1.6 million.

In first quarter of 2014 there were 110,000 asylum applications to Europe.

In 2012 the total legal immigrants to the EU was 1.7 million.

I think your 300,000 figure isn't for a year or it may just be asylum seekers which is a small proportion of the immigrants.

Immigrants on the whole were reasonably well off, the poor can't afford to come.

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#959382 - 27th Aug 2015 4:46pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Only going on figures related on News channels, but if the figure that Hungary quotes of 3,200 per day on a daily basis x 365 days , that equals 1,168,000. Are your figures using free movement of European countries, or only asylum seekers/refugees ?
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#959383 - 27th Aug 2015 4:50pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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My first post is UK migration so includes EU and non-EU, iirc the EU migrants accounted for about half of them but I couldn't fully quantify that because these were net figures and the two groups could have completely different proportion of ins and outs.
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#959386 - 27th Aug 2015 5:09pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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This is what I mean, it's hard to get true figures for anything. In July the figures quoted for migrants arriving from the Med. was 150,000 this year 2015 .

Population of Liverpool about 500,000. So our figure of 330,000 is quite large.

It surprises me that issuing of the false passports in Kos (probably not the only place) is not being rooted out. As soon as they have the passport, they can fly off to any EU country they wish to. Each country is playing it's own part in this problem, and happy to off load to another country.

Expectation of another 1.6 million influx (not necessarily this year)from the Syrian refugee camps in Turkey, but they are in a safe place at the moment, so I'm not sure how they can be granted asylum in Europe.

So far as them being the wealthy migrants, fairly true to form. Run away and let the minions take the rap. That side of it makes me very angry, but only to be expected.
If all this continues, I think the Jewish populations in France, UK and elsewhere, will be moving on too.
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#959389 - 27th Aug 2015 5:49pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Its interesting that Poland is fighting this non-EU immigration, the Polish are the largest of the UK immigrants and take quite a bit of wealth from UK back to Poland, these non-EU migrants will be competing for the same jobs as a lot of the Polish.

As far as the Jews go - where there are people there is money.
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#959522 - 28th Aug 2015 6:59pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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maybe they remember the Nazi invasions and with IS being close and on the march you cant blame them foe wanting to get as faraway as possibleand Europe is possibly the only direction they can go. With hindsight I think many of the jews would have fled Holland a lot sooner if they knew what would happen.

This country is only what it is because of immigrants and conquerors. Can see it being used to introduce a standard EU benefit system making it equally desireable to flee to any EU country. Perhaps Britain is seen as a safer option because of the English channel.
Let them in give them UK passports and pay there airfares to the USA or Canada

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#959540 - 28th Aug 2015 8:04pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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The world is on fire, we sit back and watch the flames leap across our border firebreaks, ring our hands and try to play good samaritan.I will say again "the only solution is to quench the fire".The youth of our saviour immigrants will have to join the front line as did the people they replaced,"the flower of Britain's youth" who gave their tomorrow for what some would give away.
This country is what it is because of immigrants and conquerors you could be right, a toothless bulldog.

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#959723 - 30th Aug 2015 9:55am Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Its part of the wests bullying foreign policy karma.
We ,very spoilt westerners,will never know what its like to pack up and run away into another country and leave everything behind to simply just survive.

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#959754 - 30th Aug 2015 2:54pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Granny- have you recieved the drop off address
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#959756 - 30th Aug 2015 3:00pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Just caught up some News on the television.

More of a crisis with migrants in Greece.Its getting well out of control.

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#959757 - 30th Aug 2015 3:02pm Re: Immigration Crisis [Re: svenlock68]
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Its part of the wests bullying foreign policy karma.
We ,very spoilt westerners,will never know what its like to pack up and run away into another country and leave everything behind to simply just survive.
I don't buy nor read 'News' papers, other than scavenging through my mums recycle bin after work when I am outside smoking a fag
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