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I am trying hard NOT to believe there is a God ( that is a Creator of all that we see in the world and the universe)

1) "In the beginning GOD created...."

or

2) "In the beginning nothing created a big bang and from the ensuing destruction everything evolved..."

From position 1)religions spring forth with there varying degrees of nonsense

From position 2) scientists spring forth with there varying degrees of nonsense

We are all our own Gods and our own religion, it is us that chastise ourselves, it is us that forgive ourselves, it is us that praise ourselves. If others chastise, forgive or praise us it means a little but its not until it happens in our own heart that it is a success.

Some people need an external focus to help achieve this, if that helps them, so be it but to extend that external focus into being a super-being is avoidance of our own responsibilities.

There is one God and you are right , God is in all of us .. God is the spirit and the soul. How else would we have the emotions you list above ? They are not physical they are spiritual and come from energy. We are energy, the energy stays when our body dies. Our souls form an image of the person we become. Our brains allow us to operate and see into the future. e.g. you can know what your plans are for next week or maybe next year. It is an energy that is guided as are all of our emotions. None of it physical. The only physical is the human shape. We could be any shape but we have been given this beautiful form and the ability to love and feel love. That in turn creates the most beautiful energy and new life to continue the cycle. Our whole life is driven by spiritual energy from within, not physical. We are given choices in life, and paths to follow. What puts the choices in place ? Some people can't forgive themselves, and some people can never give themselves praise. We are not accidents ,we are energy, created into a perfect physical form. Therefore, there had to be a creator of origin.

Of course we are accidents, the whole of the genetic development process is created by damage, some work some don't, some become dominant, others don't.

We are nothing but a chemical engine, biology is chemical processes that pertain to life, life is a chain of chemical reactions.

We don't die because our mind stops working, we die because the chemical process is no longer working.

The criteria for life does not include a requirement for a mind because its a non-existent entity.

Well my friend, you may have been an accident, and I don't know what shape you are, but I was definitely 'created' in my mothers womb, and a more beautiful specimen you will never meet.

Human without a mind, is a cabbage !

DD " the whole of the genetic development process is created by damage,...."

Problem I have with that is when we see damage to the generic--we end up with weaker less fit and able. Take human beings--we have the fittest having to take care of those with physical deformities. This seems counter to the "evolution" idea

Help is on the way

Quote Granny
"Tell me why, when someone dies and Wiki members often make a post on reflection , do they often write RIP ? That could indicate that the deceased may not RIP. and there has to be something afterwards ! I always find that expression fairly naff."

R.I.P --Its not wishing you all the best on your demise incase theres something dodgy possibly on its way for you ! In my opinion its a reflection on the harshness of THIS life , and an assurance to a friend, aquaintance etc , that now this time on earth is over , you WILL rest in peace because nothing can now harm or bother you ever again. Daft in one way I suppose as you're not speaking to anything but I think its more to reassure ourselves.

Precisely, a cabbage is a living thing. While a cabbage doesn't have a distinct brain, it does have "thought" just on a different level to ours.

Not at all, its the damage that gives change, the change occasionally is a forward development, otherwise we would still be single cell creatures.

The human development from a single cell creature wasn't programmed into the genetics of the single cell creature, it was brought about by faults/flukes/damage occurring.

Venice you missed the primary quote , I doubt any Muslim or Jew or Hindu or Buddhist would wish for RIP on their epitaph.

DD. How much thinking can one cabbage do ?? Are you talking about 'cabbage patch kids' ?
There is as yet nothing to rival the human brain, which was 10 trillion circuits packed into an area the size of a small cabbage

Dusty, which would be better a new brain or a head transplant ? Imagine being a brain in a jar and not being able to communicate . That is so cruel. They put Germans to death for such experiments, didn't they ??

"They put Germans to death for such experiments didn't they"??
Only a token few, as I am sure you know, and their notes went to South America with the many that had assisted escape.The piece was in today's Mail.
I am guilty of RIP, I will in future just put I hope Time Team don't find you.IHTTDFY.

Just one more point to be raised about the contents of the bible.

For long enough, the bible has been trashed for various reasons. One of them being the account of the number of Jews who left Egypt. Commonly know as the 'Exodus from Egypt'.
According to the account 2.5 million came out of Egypt, which by today's standards no longer seems to be such a false figure and is accepted now as perfectly possible!
Many of todays experiences can be used to quantify passages of the bible, we should not dismiss what we don't understand. It simply makes us more ignorant than we appear to be.

Anyway,that's it from me on this subject now. Had enough, and I am still waiting for someone to explain to me that Jesus did not exist, with examples of why He didn't, that the bible is all hocus pocus, and that we don't have life after death. So far, nobody has convinced one curly hair on my head for the onward march of the non believers.

Much as Paxvobiscum said, an inner peace is present and helps us through our daily lives to cope with our problems.
For myself, I know a loving power is there, and at times it wraps around like a comfort blanket, helping us cope from one trauma to another.

If anyone wishes to knock that and call it a 'figment of imagination', carry on because without a belief in God I would not have that inner peace to cope. Instead, I and others would be pill popping on a massive scale !

Time for Coffee and cakes now.

Look at the state of the World, the number of innocent people, children and babies suffering through war, famine, poverty, bullying, crime etc etc.

"Loving" would hardly be the word to describe this ghostly super-being would it!

But its nice to have someone else to blame for all this suffering isn't it

When you find that inner peace, heaven on earth. I think Jesus did exist as flesh and bone just like the rest of us (unless you have had your Knee hip etc. done)Feeding the five thousand was achieved by showing the throngs of hoarders how to share for the betterment of all. The meek do inherit the earth six foot by four of it.You dont have to believe to be saved but don't be meek about it.
The new World order is around the corner, God will not intervene.