WikiWirral is where great friendships are made.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,029,202
Topics75,717
Members13,584
Forums65
Posts in last 24hrs19
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
36 registered members (7 invisible), 1,192 guests, and285 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
Covid vaccine
by casper. 2nd Dec 2020 9:20am
Wild West (Leasowe)
by GaryFromWirral. 23rd Nov 2020 6:44pm
Sony PlayStation 5 sales
by _Ste_. 21st Nov 2020 9:46am
Ebay fraudsters
by _Ste_. 16th Nov 2020 12:23pm
New Wirral History
What pub is this?
by mikeeb. 28th Nov 2020 12:39pm
Fairs Cameras - Bebington
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Nov 2020 4:08pm
Wirral Home Guard
by bridekirk. 12th Nov 2020 10:34pm
Genealogical Research - Macmillan
by Alex_Macmillan. 10th Oct 2020 11:57am
Outdoor swimming pools
by mikeeb. 30th Jun 2020 4:26pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Boaty McBoatface takes shape
The gathering storm: Mersey waterfront today
Topic Replies
Deportation Flight to Jamaica
by diggingdeeper. 4th Dec 2020 4:38pm
Fake £5 notes.
by mikeeb. 4th Dec 2020 1:12pm
Live Animal Exports Ban
by mikeeb. 4th Dec 2020 9:20am
Recommended Tree Surgeons
by Greenwood. 4th Dec 2020 8:40am
Colecovision Rev D 1983
by _Ste_. 4th Dec 2020 2:16am
On The Beach
by dingle. 3rd Dec 2020 11:28pm
ELECTORAL ROLLS
by moretonkiwi. 3rd Dec 2020 2:41am
Kings Lane Roundabout Accident?
by diggingdeeper. 2nd Dec 2020 3:45pm
fire station
by gerry1. 2nd Dec 2020 10:13am
December
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
View Ranger
by mikeeb. 24th Nov 2020 10:42am
Pontins Southport
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 1:13pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Serial offender gets 18 months #958096
13th Aug 2015 8:43pm
13th Aug 2015 8:43pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,758
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline OP

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,758
Birkenhead
Burgles a house, 18 previous convictions including 7 for burglary, fails to show up for the hearing in court and will be out in well less than a year.

The guy is only 25 years old, obviously shows no pattern of behaving, society should be protected. Lord knows how many undetected crimes he's committed, the national detection rate for burglary is 20%, so if we know he has done 8 burglaries, that means you could predict he's actually done 40.

SOURCE


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Google Ads
Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958141
14th Aug 2015 9:26am
14th Aug 2015 9:26am
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 783
Birkenhead
DeanoBirko Offline
Wise One
DeanoBirko  Offline
Wise One
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 783
Birkenhead
Execute him in the town square.

Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958156
14th Aug 2015 10:43am
14th Aug 2015 10:43am
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 256
Moreton
A
Alonso Offline
Addict
Alonso  Offline
Addict
A
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 256
Moreton
You have to go back 40 years and more to arrive at an age when fellows like this were dealt with properly. Back then, he would never have been granted bail for the offence of housebreaking. Also, the courts considered that for all of us our homes were our castles. The sentence for this type of recidivist would have been at least 5 years. He might have received parol but not until having served at least two thirds of his time.
Only the politicians and the criminal courts can make a real difference to the state of things in this country, but they abandoned us in favour of liberal, wishy -washy justice decades ago.

Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958157
14th Aug 2015 10:54am
14th Aug 2015 10:54am
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
How the heck do we deal with such people though . The part answer seems to be to create a more equal society through better education and apprenticeships etc leading to more hope,jobs and opportunities, so that people can afford to buy the things they need/want ,instead of giving up and turning to crime -- but that will only address a % of offenders . Maybe the case in post 1 is in this category.

However, too many people (imho) ,including those coping adequately, turn to crime because they seem to believe that regardless of their skills, effort, ability, work ethic or any other reality, they are entitled to have an endless source of easy money which enables them to have the same material lifestyle as someone who can legitimatly afford anything they like .

Maybe this 'Im entitled regardless' attitude imho has been induced by the namby pamby attitudes which have grown popular in childcare-- illustrated by such things as 'pass the parcel must have a sweet in every unwrap' , 'bran tub presents must all be of the same value', high value consolation prize for a non winner' 'we dont have losers only runners up', 'no upsetting red crosses on homework' etc, and bigging up childrens self importance FAR beyond what the reality of future life will support .

This has been followed by the misuse of the benefits system going from being a safety net to an alternative lifestyle all because it hasnt been applied or policed properly and 'working' the system is obviously an accepted right ,almost a sport in some quarters. There is also a total lack of respect for other people . It will get worse as ipads etc decrease proper human to human communication.

These social attitudes will take an awfully long time to reverse and I havent got a clue what we do about persistant thieving/cheating etc in the short term. Prisons are full and some research says it doesnt work anyway , yet we shouldnt allow crime to be consequence free.





Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958166
14th Aug 2015 11:39am
14th Aug 2015 11:39am
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 783
Birkenhead
DeanoBirko Offline
Wise One
DeanoBirko  Offline
Wise One
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 783
Birkenhead
^^ Thats the liberal leftie nonsense that causes lax sentencing.

Just kill him, society would be better off.

Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: DeanoBirko] #958172
14th Aug 2015 1:14pm
14th Aug 2015 1:14pm
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,925
Wallasey/New Brighton
J
j_demo Offline
Forum Addict
j_demo  Offline
Forum Addict
J
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,925
Wallasey/New Brighton
Originally Posted by DeanoBirko
^^ Thats the liberal leftie nonsense that causes lax sentencing.

Just kill him, society would be better off.

^^ thats the type of attitude that creates segregation and hatred and drives the crime rates up rather than down.

Law works on facts and not opinions thankfully.

Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958174
14th Aug 2015 1:34pm
14th Aug 2015 1:34pm
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,758
Birkenhead
diggingdeeper Offline OP

Wiki Master
diggingdeeper  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 13,758
Birkenhead
Punishment should be progressive, everyone gets a chance to learn from their mistakes and will know their punishment will be more severe the more crimes they commit. Ultimately at the top of the chain should be a prison colony where they go for a proper life sentence.

If they want to be persistently anti-social, they should not be living in society and should not benefit from society's luxuries.

By the 19th offence it is a complete joke to let someone back into society in less than a year, it sends out completely the wrong message - its damn near encouragement to continue.

I'm not totally opposed to capital punishment especially for serial offenders where the risk of wrongful conviction is negligible.


The further you are down the pay scale, the more 'essential' you are when the s--- hits the fan... Sue Farbysmith 2020

Insults are engendered from vulgar minds, like toadstools from a dunghill - Charles Caleb Colton

We don't do charity in Germany, We pay taxes. Charity is a failure of governments' responsibilities - Henning Wehn
Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958177
14th Aug 2015 1:39pm
14th Aug 2015 1:39pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,970
wallasey
Dilly Offline

Wiki Guardian
Dilly  Offline

Wiki Guardian
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 8,970
wallasey
Whatever happened to three strikes and you're out ? I don't think that ever came into force.

Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958199
14th Aug 2015 3:44pm
14th Aug 2015 3:44pm
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,036
Heswallish
F
fish5133 Offline
Forum Guardian
fish5133  Offline
Forum Guardian
F
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,036
Heswallish
perhaps we should take a leaf out of other countries.
Persistant thieving--chop finger off for each offence. If that doesn't work they could become politicians


Re: Serial offender gets 18 months [Re: diggingdeeper] #958208
14th Aug 2015 5:11pm
14th Aug 2015 5:11pm
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral
V
venice Offline

Forum Guardian
venice  Offline

Forum Guardian
V
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 3,621
Wirral


Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Fake £5 notes.
by mikeeb. 4th Dec 2020 1:12pm
Live Animal Exports Ban
by granny. 4th Dec 2020 1:07am
On The Beach
by cools. 3rd Dec 2020 4:08pm
Deportation Flight to Jamaica
by granny. 2nd Dec 2020 5:41pm
Kings Lane Roundabout Accident?
by diggingdeeper. 2nd Dec 2020 3:32pm
For Sale & Free
Colecovision Rev D 1983
by _Ste_. 4th Dec 2020 2:16am
FREE kids wallpaper
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 5:59pm
fire station
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 2:20pm
castle for sale
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 2:07pm
laser x
by gerry1. 30th Nov 2020 1:45pm
Member Spotlight
spider
spider
Birkenhead
Posts: 407
Joined: August 2009
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
AlbertAlan, darrelljon, EnglandPi, dave1162, RichardLLL
13584 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
ELECTORAL ROLLS
by moretonkiwi. 2nd Dec 2020 2:45am
Recommended Tree Surgeons
by gray153. 1st Dec 2020 12:19pm
Nilfisk pressure washers
by muzzy2. 30th Nov 2020 8:43am
Oxton Flats
by AndyT. 23rd Nov 2020 6:17pm
Pontins Southport
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 1:13pm
News : New Topics
Fake £5 notes.
by mikeeb. 4th Dec 2020 1:12pm
Deportation Flight to Jamaica
by granny. 2nd Dec 2020 5:41pm
Kings Lane Roundabout Accident?
by diggingdeeper. 2nd Dec 2020 3:32pm
Bins not emptied.
by mikeeb. 30th Nov 2020 9:32am
Pensioner dies in prison
by _Ste_. 28th Nov 2020 12:40am
New Enthusiast Forums
Live Animal Exports Ban
by granny. 4th Dec 2020 1:07am
On The Beach
by cools. 3rd Dec 2020 4:08pm
Grosjean is lucky to be alive.
by mikeeb. 30th Nov 2020 9:56am
8mm film digital conversion
by MerseyMan. 30th Nov 2020 9:46am
car stupidity
by lincle. 23rd Nov 2020 8:46am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Fri 8:10am
Sunset Fri 3:54pm
Local Time Fri 4:58pm
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1