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#954318 - 8th Jul 2015 3:12pm Budget
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Not as vicious as it could have been. A wide range of dabbling for sure. Dont think the 1% limit for 4years on public sector wages is going to be a good idea. That would be 8 restricted years on the run. How they going to attract good candidates.

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#954322 - 8th Jul 2015 3:41pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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It was more pleasing than expected, considering all the negative hype beforehand. The gradual process of reducing tax credits, has to be good and they have to start somewhere. If not this year, next year. I also think the allowance paid for only two children (unless multiple births)is a good idea . People have to take responsibility for their own lives and their children's lives also.

New Living Wage... Excellent !

Landlords will be able to claim only 20% tax relief as opposed to 45% tax at the highest level.....Excellent !

Bearing in mind that some of these properties rent out for tens of thousands of 's a month. Just seen one amongst many for 45,000 per week (yes, per week) While the owners swan around on the Cote d' Azure or UAE for example .

Overall, it seems pretty good.
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#954324 - 8th Jul 2015 3:54pm Re: Budget [Re: granny]
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At first glance, pretty good. Let's wait to see the fine print in the bill though; all he did was give headlines.
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#954348 - 8th Jul 2015 5:55pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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Living wage? I can remember when Labours cry was "20 a week for everyone and we'll be happy." That would be back when Desmond Dell was the Birkenhead MP. You can never catch up, prices go up and then so do the costs. Can remember also when footballers first got 20 a week and they were considered baronial indeed. It's just the way of world and you've got to hope you're stuck somewhere in the system which is ok.

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#954349 - 8th Jul 2015 6:24pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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A lot of what Osborne said makes sense. Completely agree with giving more pay and less tax credits.

There are quite a few groups of people that are going to get left behind.

Looks like they want kids to stay at home until they are 25 now. In my eyes if a young person leaves school and works full time, they should be classed as an adult, not penalised. A good start in life but then they are immediately discriminated against, not a good start to adult life and there will a be a generation of people with a chip on their shoulder.

What's the point of massive house building projects if the young are held back financially.

Disgusted at much of Harriet Harmen's response.

Full marks to a chancellor that has created a budget that actually does something.
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#954360 - 8th Jul 2015 7:31pm Re: Budget [Re: diggingdeeper]
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So far as Kids living at home until they are 25yrs....there is many a man still living at home now, due to being without a partner. Impossible to pay for everything on their own and being on their own, they don't get much towards anything.

I think the average age now is about 35yrs for single men to leave home, and from all the people I know, that would be true. They all left home a number of years ago and all ended up back again. High rents, high rates, high energy costs and utilities. Unless they earn over a certain amount they can't even get a property to rent, as they have to give proof of earnings. Just another debt ridden programme.

Bandy, you will remember the 60's and 70's when we were all pretty much doing well, nice life not over extravagant but without debts ( apart from a mortgage). What has changed everything so drastically ? I don't understand how things are so much different now or even when it started going downhill. I remember all the Merchant being sold off and the docks being stifled, but that was this area really. The whole country is suffering now for all sorts of different reason.. My first wage was 9 per week. Did everything on that and didn't borrow anything.


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#954380 - 8th Jul 2015 8:52pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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"Bandy, you will remember the 60's and 70's when we were all pretty much doing well, nice life not over extravagant but without debts ( apart from a mortgage). What has changed "

The biggest difference was the job market. In the 60's , you could pretty much guarantee to get a job when you left school , and kids did stay at home for longer so had less expenses.There wasnt quite the same expectation / potential for need to spend on designer gear, latest personal technology , 225 Glastonbury tickets , or trends to buy friends and colleagues silly price presents for birthdays etc . Life was cheaper and simpler somehow.

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#954385 - 8th Jul 2015 10:22pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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Venice, if we didn't have the money for something we didn't get it but we didn't pine for it either and neither did we want to string up those who could get it. Never had a holiday as kid, did I miss it? No. I was satisfied, I had shoes on my feet every day, some of my mates didn't. The old man would've liked more cash but at least he was working so we just got on with it until things improved. By listing the latest technology, latest fashion, 225 tickets it proves the point. Everyone wants it but not everyone is willing to graft for it. In the 60's I was already working, joined up in 1958. If it's peer pressure which does it then the education system should be able to point out where that leads. I want it all and I want it now can't be the way to go.
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#954389 - 8th Jul 2015 10:47pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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Bandy! "Gis a sub"

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#954482 - 9th Jul 2015 9:40pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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The number crunching has happened. The increase in minimum wage will not offset the loss of tax credits in most cases.

3 million families will be 1260 a year worse off on average due the the cut in tax credits and benefit freeze.

A further 10 million families will be 260 a year worse off from the benefits freeze.

It is the poorest that get poorer.

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#954484 - 9th Jul 2015 10:06pm Re: Budget [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Well, what did you expect? 12 billion savings don't come out of thin air.
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#954486 - 9th Jul 2015 10:19pm Re: Budget [Re: venice]
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I expect the leaders of our country to set an example and not be lying scumbags.
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#954489 - 9th Jul 2015 11:03pm Re: Budget [Re: diggingdeeper]
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13 million families.

Taking an average of 4 per family = 52 million people !

That suggests that something is badly wrong, when the other 10 million families will be worse of by benefits freeze.

Now I may not be smart but to me that in total exceeds the total population of this country.

Let's not forget that the minimum wage that began in 1999 has risen by only 2.90 per hour over 16years. A living wage of 7.20 has to be the right path to take and if we are calling families earning 26,000 the poorest people in our society then I'm afraid everyone has lost track somewhere.
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#954493 - 9th Jul 2015 11:56pm Re: Budget [Re: granny]
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It can't be right that public service employees will once again be restricted to 1% rises for the next 4 years when M.Ps are about to receive a massive increase of about 11,000, it stinks, nurses, police, prison officers etc, people with really difficult jobs will actually get a pay cut.
On a brighter note, went to the Jeremy Corbyn event at Birkenhead Town Hall which was brilliant, absolutley packed to the doors with people who are concerned about the future of our country.

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#954517 - 10th Jul 2015 10:10am Re: Budget [Re: Bennie]
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If public services are getting 1% rise, it is at least a rise. Who pays for their salaries ? The tax payer. If the tax payer and the council tax payer (as a percentage of council tax goes towards these services too)is on tax credits, and they are contributing to higher wage rises in public services, that means council tax has to rise even more. Do you think that is fair ? I can't afford to pay anymore towards council tax. Can you ?
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