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Slightly off topic but out of interest as j-demo might know the answer

During the month of Ramadan are Muslim doctors, nurses, and any other Muslim health workers in the NHS exempt, or do they fast all the daylight hours whilst working as decreed in the faith and not work after sunset due to prayer.
If they do, how are the working hours covered by the supposedly under staffed NHS workforce that we consistently hear about ?

Next; Are female Muslim doctors allowed to examine non Muslim male patients in certain areas of the body and are male Muslim doctors allowed to examine non Muslim female patients, the same way or do they just not examine anymore ?

I'll answer as best as i can.
1) some dr's do fast in the daylight while others don't. It's their 'choice' at the end of the day really (i say choice because theyre not being physocally forced to eat or not eat)
2) again some work the night shift while others dont. The nhs doesnt give any special time off based on religion, if you want the time off you apply for it as annual leave like you would any other holiday. Its almost the same as asking a catholic to work on a sunday. If they didn't want to for religious reasons they have to take leave they won't just gwt it no matter how loud they stamp their feet.
3)i can't answer the examination one. I work in mental health and have no experience in the physical health side. But as far as mental health examinations go, its business as usual, female dr's examine both males and females and male dr's do the same. There are one or two stat exemptions such as if a patient has requested a male/female dr then we try our best but generally it's a case of everyone sees everyone.

The answer i guess is no to female muslim doctors to examine non muslim males.maybe we should get hold a koran{bible for muslim faith}and educate ourselfs in there beliefs.
If anyone watched eastenders for the past 2 weeks it was all about Rammadam and the muslim faith.
Bottom line is most female patients will prefer a female doctor to examine them dont matter what ethnic background .

Thanks j-demo.

Snowy your point would bring the word 'diversity' into play for all of us. Meaning that each one of us different but equal at the same time. It doesn't seem to apply in practice though.

David Cameron's warning today is quite severe and to put some things into an understanding, this little snippet is taken from a very large article I read yesterday from a publication written by a charity operating in Syria, Iraq and other places.

How far along the bumpy road we are in this country, who knows but whatever we think, or would like to believe, with all due respects, we don't know what goes on behind closed doors and neither do our Muslim population ,in many cases.

"Many conferences were held in the 1980's (often with Saudi funding) to discuss the weakness of the Muslim umma. At these conferences-which remained largely unnoticed by western observers-the ideas of Islamization was introduced as the solution. It was argued that Muslims must resist Western cultural influences, cast off defeatist attitudes and adopt instead the belligerence of Muhammad in Medina. Muslims must regain their self -confidence, affirming that they are different from the rest of the world. The umma will then be strong and united once more and Islam will regain its ancient power and glory.

London -based Muslim Institute says "God is one, the Prophet is one, the ummah-the international Muslim community -is one". Hence the virtually universal belief amongst Muslims that they must support each other against non-Muslims, in spite of internal differences , that they are to be subordinate to those of the umma. The individual's needs and desires are to be subordinate to those of the umma.
While there is much variety in Islam, there seems to be a majority consensuses that the umma deserves the primary loyalty of all Muslims. For many Muslims, loyalty to the umma overrides loyalty to any nation state . Islamists utilise the umma concept to develope the idea of Muslims everywhere as global victims. They encourage Muslims to see themselves as a vulnerable and besieged community as they were under Muhammed's leadership in Mecca before the migration to Medina. Having developed a sense of victimhood they can present Islamist violence as a liberation struggle and thus strengthen Muslim group identity."


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So it would seem we have modern day practising Muslims alongside medieval practising Muslims. The Christians did at least leave the Crusades behind

....and regain it's former power and glory. That says it all and it's happening under our noses and yet we have people who are apologists for them. It's our grandkids who'll be the inheritors of the gross errors being made now. All the usual suspects on here making excuses for them. They're twisted and want to go back to medieval times, they say so themselves. If you're happy to do that then pack your bags and bog off to the ME. If you'd rather stay and improve things, which has been happening for a long time in UK, then at least speak against the atrocities instead of telling us how good these people are, they won't speak up. Don't forget that we are where we are in terms of development as a result of having to go through all the traumas historically ourselves, but we're learning from past errors I should hope. for the record I don't give a monkeys toss what they do at their medicals.

When they apply for citizenship they sign the following



They also take the following pledge



This is an implied denouncement of other loyalties, the US has a more direct denouncement they sign.

Interesting that someone that is born here doesn't sign or pledge anything.

Its ummah not umma.

Is it ? Umma was an Empire in the Middle East and is also a political party, so as I only copied (typed) the transcript, I can't argue with it .

umma is used in the name numerous political parties but only at a national level and is also still a place name.

As soon as it is referring to Muslims/Islamics globally it should be ummah which is either a shortening of "Ummah Wāhidah" (the Islamic people) or the synonym of "ummat al-Islamiyah" (the Islamic nation). Strictly ummah by itself does not not identify muslim or islamic and just means group, nation, community etc but the context is often taken as being Islamic unless there is specific inference elsewise.

Apply to 'Wirral Change'- request a place on a Cultural Awareness course.The level of ignorance on this thread astounds me.

Me???

No.

Me then ? Sorry to disappoint Rude, but what exactly is 'Cultural Awareness' ? A few pointers might be helpful.

It could be me Granny. Kettles, pots and black accoutrements come to mind Ah well.

Could be anyone of us Bandy.....but we have no real guidance do we ? Only placards that say nothing.

Have a read of this topic, which actually touched on the same issues a while back.
Interesting to see comments in hindsight. For example, it will never happen here because the UK only has 5% of Muslims.etc. , and we are all racists and bigots. Wondering if the same views have change rapidly over the last week, including figures given last night of the almost certain number of Muslims who have joined jihad from this country is now 2000.

https://www.wikiwirral.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/928817/1.html

j_demo - said

"just because less than 1% of muslims are on some sort of jihad against "the west" that doesn't mean ALL of them are."

Curious where this figure is from. Im puzzled as to how we could possibly know how many are jihadists ?

Someone else (Granny maybe? ) mentioned a figure someone else had said about there only being 5% Muslim population here.

It struck me if both those figures WERE on track , that would mean towards a FIFTH of all Muslims were a threat ??
I dont believe we have any idea of what we are truly facing , we dont even know how many illegals are in the flipping country.