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#948535 - 29th May 2015 11:01am Human rights
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I see David Cameron has got the jitters over the Human Rights Act, his government is seeking to deny the people of this country the basic rights enjoyed by other civilised nations, the human rights act is about basic common decency based on a set of pledges made in the aftermath of WW2 written to make sure that the horrors of the Holocaust never happen again and the victims of Hillsborough and ill treatment in NHS hospitals get fair redress.

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#948540 - 29th May 2015 12:51pm Re: Human rights [Re: casper]
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Don't forget that the Human Rights Act is a UK law. If we detach ourselves from the EU obligations it gives us control to patch the holes that we find now and then, something we seem powerless to do at the moment.

We should have the power to kick immigrant/migrant criminals out of our country.

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Asylum seeker William Danga was jailed for ten years for raping a 16-year-old girl. The 40-year-old Congolese asylum seeker, who raped and molested two young girls while fighting deportation after his release, and is now serving a 15-year sentence, used the fact he has two children to stay in Britain


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Iraqi Aso Mohammed Ibrahim left 12-year-old Amy Houston to die ‘like a dog’ under the wheels of his car after knocking her down in 2003 while banned from driving. Twice refused asylum, he was never removed by the Home Office and, after the killing, was allowed to stay in the UK after serving a mere four months in jail because he had fathered two children here, which judges ruled gave him a right to a ‘family life’


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A Libyan convicted of 78 offences escaped deportation last month on the grounds he is an alcoholic. The 53-year-old man, who is protected by an anonymity order, successfully argued he would be tortured and imprisoned by the authorities in his homeland because drinking alcohol is illegal. He is now free to continue his drink-fuelled offending spree in Britain
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#948559 - 29th May 2015 2:43pm Re: Human rights [Re: diggingdeeper]
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I to am disgusted by the above instances, but again the lack of action by those in authority is mostly to blame by giving them little or no jail sentences and in failing to remove those that they can remove legally, most countries in Europe deport illegals right away and hear their appeals from their home countries, but not the jellies in charge here, a complete lack of instant action, illegals picked up then released allegedly to report back to the police in so many weeks time, yeah they are all in the wind, lets face it if they concentrated the pitiful resources at their disposal for a few weeks on a big round up and deportation exercise the message would be sent, so instead of kicking the trade unions, and bringing back fox hunting why don't they do as they have promised and crack down on the abusers ?

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#948564 - 29th May 2015 4:03pm Re: Human rights [Re: casper]
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That is exactly why we need to get out of Europe, we are clamped down by European laws that don't seem to apply in other European countries. We have a choice of ignoring Europe (and facing sanctions), changing Europe (no chance) or leaving Europe.

Europe is the United States of Germany, we are gradually getting conquered by them as has been their plan since before the end of WW2. It was their second backup plan if we didn't didn't get taken by force. Churchill was conned in 1948 into thinking he was starting what is now the EEC but Germany knew it would take power.
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#948566 - 29th May 2015 4:12pm Re: Human rights [Re: casper]
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Be done with the law altogether.

Let's make prisons and schools what they once were, maybe then there would be some order around the scum born today.
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#948602 - 29th May 2015 7:34pm Re: Human rights [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
That is exactly why we need to get out of Europe, we are clamped down by European laws that don't seem to apply in other European countries. We have a choice of ignoring Europe (and facing sanctions), changing Europe (no chance) or leaving Europe.

Europe is the United States of Germany, we are gradually getting conquered by them as has been their plan since before the end of WW2. It was their second backup plan if we didn't didn't get taken by force. Churchill was conned in 1948 into thinking he was starting what is now the EEC but Germany knew it would take power.


Clap for that DD. clap (I think their plan began long before WWII )
If we don't leave Europe, we can say goodbye to our own decisions on just about everything. Tax, NI., salaries, benefits, mortgages, rents, health, education, and which newspaper we will be allowed to read ! We will vote for President of Europe, work longer hours, and watch as the state moves in and takes more control over our children from early morning to bedtime. They will choose how they are fed, what books they should be read, and remove the words Jesus, Mohammed, Queen, Prince or Princess from their vocabulary. Replacing them with President = Power, People = Poverty.

The fact that Russia is Eastern Europe is not very encouraging, and Putin could play cards very close to his and Mrs Merkels chest. Don't trust either of them.

I see the Polish leader is not happy with Cameron, for considering to reduce benefits for the Polish in this country. We are so wired up with the whole lot, we know not where it starts or ends.
We shall always be able to trade with the rest of the world, as we do now, but I dare say many want us to stay in Europe because they know we'd probably do better than them. We might even build more industry to replace what we have sold or given away to others in Europe, China or America.
We need to get out, no matter what we are brainwashed with over the next couple of years.

If anyone thinks I'm off my trolley, you could be right, because I am very feverish atm and rambling. laugh
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#948610 - 29th May 2015 8:04pm Re: Human rights [Re: casper]
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All I have is a vision of every EU member state blowing up against each other, which would see the long arm of the law move in and take full control for ever. Only a matter of time. Human rights gone and voice gone.

At least we still have a voice in this country, something that others do not have.

We have to look at how many things have gone backwards or been completely eroded in the last 20 years. It is all due to membership of the EU . How many strikes did France used to have ? Masses of them and how many now ? What was our average working week and what is it now ? How many used to have lunch hours, and what do they get now ? How many families can sit around a table for Sunday lunch together these days (our once tradition) ?
The list is endless and it's all to do with directives from Europe which have to be followed. Fortunately we are getting wiser to this and looking beyond our own Government and seeing who pulls their strings, is very important at this stage . We ARE controlled and much takes more.
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#948639 - 29th May 2015 10:58pm Re: Human rights [Re: casper]
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I can't believe how blindly the other Governments are walking into this, exactly the way we blindly walked into WW1 and WW2 through our belief and trust in Germany and our over-belief in our own capabilities.

If anybody wants to do anything in Europe its Merkel who they deal with not Junker the President - Merkel is running Europe.

A deal seems to have been made already, don't drop the human rights act and we'll exchange favours for a few sweeties. I bet whatever deal is made, the UK will remain under the thumb of Germany and if we have a referendum that fails, whatever had been negotiated will revert back.
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#948647 - 29th May 2015 11:48pm Re: Human rights [Re: granny]
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Watch or listen to any of the media programmes which touch on the subject of Europe, that's any of them. Also the newspapers, particularly the political columnists. Not once have I ever heard the question asked:
"What happens to our welfare state if we pull out of Europe?"
At the moment we are, as a nation, saddled with £1.5 trillion of debts. Then there is the massive deficit that increases every year. To say nothing about the £billions that have been printed in order to prevent the banking system from total collapse.
Free housing in this country alone was last year a pee in the ocean compared with the national debt but it cost us close on £24billion. And it's rising every year.
When I write about the welfare state, I include in that everything: health care, benefits, pensions, education, quangos, civil service, money spent on law and order, roads. Just about anything that relies upon the public purse and which keeps our infrastructure ticking over.
Let's assume we vote for out. Britain will still have a manufacturing base and I'm sure Germany will still want to sell us their cars. But will those who lend to us from the international money markets continue to be prepared to lend us the huge sums we rely upon year in and year out in order to sustain us? I think that's what worries Cameron and all the rest of the Europhiles.
Unlike the Greeks, us Brits pay our taxes, but only if people have jobs in order for the revenue man to collect them. That's what the Europhiles will hammer home to the electorate: vote for us to leave and you will lose your jobs. Maybe my point about the possible collapse of the welfare state will be their trump card. There is little doubt that the cost of our infrastructure- pre Heath signing us up to the Common Market- was nothing compared to the huge financial burden we are bequeathing to our future generations.
Personally, I shall be voting to leave but that's because I feel that it's time for a reality check and time Britain put its house in order. We are deluding ourselves if we think we can continue as we are.

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#948650 - 30th May 2015 2:27am Re: Human rights [Re: casper]
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As with all money lenders, they don't do it out of good will, they do it to make a profit. The UK is pretty high up the credit ratings in both the World and Europe.

Trade is relatively protected by the World Trade Organisation of which most countries are members. The financial markets are bound to throw a wobbler if we leave, that how the finance markets make a profit - purposely destabilising the economy to make profit out the changes (if things don't change they can't make profits).

Despite the draconian austerity measures, we are borrowing money faster than when we were under Labour - where is this money going? For all our Human Rights, it doesn't seem to protect us from this Government fraud. If they are spending less and borrowing more, there is a lot of money disappearing somewhere.
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#948655 - 30th May 2015 8:22am Re: Human rights [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
As with all money lenders, they don't do it out of good will, they do it to make a profit. The UK is pretty high up the credit ratings in both the World and Europe.

Trade is relatively protected by the World Trade Organisation of which most countries are members. The financial markets are bound to throw a wobbler if we leave, that how the finance markets make a profit - purposely destabilising the economy to make profit out the changes (if things don't change they can't make profits).

Despite the draconian austerity measures, we are borrowing money faster than when we were under Labour - where is this money going? For all our Human Rights, it doesn't seem to protect us from this Government fraud. If they are spending less and borrowing more, there is a lot of money disappearing somewhere.

Yesterday morning, I watched that BBC programme, Homes Under the Hammer. A punter on the show, an electrician by trade, had quit his job and had gone in for property development. He was already on his way to making his fortune when he bought a piece of land for £100k. With planning permission granted and having costed his outlay he built something like a dozen new homes. Very cleverly he never put them on the open market, instead he sold them on, whilst still under development, to an affordable housing agency. Obviously the properties were going to be rented by those people who are struggling for a place to live. The developer made in the region of £500k give or take a little. Although he was careful not to divulge exactly what he made in profit, that was his target.
My guess is, that like most of these housing organisations, the money to pay the builder was borrowed. Usually the lender is the RBS. Now, that money has to be paid back with interest. The tenants have to pay rent, so that rent is then used by the housing organisations to pay off the loans. However, as most tenants in these affordable homes are reliant upon housing benefit, their rent is paid for them courtesy of the tax payer.
In many cases, there are somewhere in the region of 80% of affordable housing tenants on income support. That's certainly the case here in Merseyside. And in many parts of the country it has to be the same.
So there is little doubt that some shrewd people are doing okay out of the welfare merry-go-round, all courtesy of what is collected in revenue and what the government borrows. But it can't go on forever, that's for sure.

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