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#936259 - 22nd Mar 2015 10:56pm Wheelie Bins
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If we have to buy additional wheelie bins, does that mean they are our property and move house with us too ?


Edited by granny (22nd Mar 2015 10:57pm)
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#936267 - 22nd Mar 2015 11:06pm Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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Not sure, but if you buy from the council you may not get brand new.

I guess they go with you if you've not painted numbers all over them.

Its a good question, because if the bin collection damages your bin, are they damaging your property??

Does the council own the bin or the bin company??
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#936279 - 22nd Mar 2015 11:51pm Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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https://www.wirral.gov.uk/my-services/environment-and-planning/bins-and-recycling/bins/damaged-bin
Replacement bins cost 37.
Bins damaged by the collection crews will be repaired or replaced free of charge as long as they are reported to us within 3 working days of collection.

So it seems to me that the bins are only "rented" to householders for a one off fee and if you move and take your bin then the new occupant forks out.

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#936294 - 23rd Mar 2015 12:42am Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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I was under the impression that the council supplied, free of charge, your first bin. This bin remains the property of the council.
If the bin is damaged by a council representative then it will be repaired or replaced free of charge. Iff a bin is lost or stolen then the house holder replaces it at cost.
I think Granny has raised a legal arguement. If the additional bin is purchased then it would rightly be expected to be the property of the purchaser. But, if it is supplied via the council, were they made aware it was additional and not a replacement. I would imagine the normal cost for a wheelie bin to be more than a possibly subsidised 37.

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#936300 - 23rd Mar 2015 7:23am Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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That is pretty much what that article says as long as it is reported inside 3 days. Looks like a 240 litre bin could cost an individual around 85.

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#936308 - 23rd Mar 2015 8:44am Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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Let's not mention the option to return the brown bins or not lol.

The devil is in the detail and I suspect it may change from council to council.

Good questions raised.
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#936309 - 23rd Mar 2015 8:48am Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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And why do the bin men put your bin back where they want to leave it. But we have to make sure our bins are fully on the pavement and the lid closed.

On a bad day its double standards.
And on a good day, I will hunt out my bin.
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#936321 - 23rd Mar 2015 10:01am Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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Here we have the policy of Waveny Council . Slightly different to WMBC but connected to the Environmental Protection Acts. Interesting is the point about plastic sacs.


Why should I pay for my own bins?

In accordance with the Environmental Protection Acts, Waveney District Council are obliged to provide all households with suitable receptacle's for the disposal of household waste, black for residual waste and blue for dry recyclables. Whilst under no obligation we also supply a green Bin for garden waste.

These bins are used by householders but remain the property of the Council. Effectively we issue the bins on a long-term loan basis.

Due to the number of bins being lost and the subsequent cost of replacing them, we have adopted a system of charging for replacement bins in line with many other Councils.


What does it cost?

The cost of replacing a lost or stolen bin will be 28.00 . This will cover the cost of replacing the bin together with administration and delivery charges.


If I buy a replacement bin, does it then become my property?


Read on...........

http://www.waveney.gov.uk/site/scripts/d...mp;pageNumber=4
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#936328 - 23rd Mar 2015 10:28am Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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A household has to be authorised for additional green bins, it can be based on a number of criteria (household size, medical waste, children in nappies etc). Additional bins move with the household, so long as they let the council know where they have moved to the authorisation can be transferred. Bins cost 37

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#936329 - 23rd Mar 2015 10:29am Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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I guess when the first bin was supplied we had to count ourselves lucky as previously home owners were responsible for buying and replacing their own bins.
Once a wheelie bin has been supplied it would appear the onus of responsibility is transferred to the recipient meaning if you lose it you replace it. You will only be the keeper not the owner.
If you want a 2nd,additional bin, then you should be charged the full amount not subsidised unless proof is given that an additional bin is need due to producing more waste than normal in which case you would pay a subsidised rate and possibly receive a smaller 2nd bin.


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#937302 - 26th Mar 2015 2:45pm Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: GeeMeister]
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Due to having 6 adults living at my address I applied to the council for an extra wheelie bin. I received a free full size bin after a visit from a council employee to make sure the 6 people were on the electoral role for that address. Had it now for about 3 years and the 2 bins get emptied, no problem, every week.

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#937307 - 26th Mar 2015 2:59pm Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: granny]
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The price of the bins aren't subsidised, you can buy 240 litre wheelie bins commercially for around 37 in one-offs, hopefully the council has negotiated a much better price than that for bulk purchase.
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#937309 - 26th Mar 2015 3:06pm Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: spinner1]
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when I lived at my old house,we got an extra bin after my 5th child & it didn't cost us anything & when I moved to my present property I had a load of bins outside on the pavement but they were full & stinking the binmen never emptied them but they had been there months before I moved in.Got on to the council & they came & took the dirty ones away & gave me a grey & a green bin free of charge but they weren't new.
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#937327 - 26th Mar 2015 4:34pm Re: Wheelie Bins [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Originally Posted By: diggingdeeper
The price of the bins aren't subsidised, you can buy 240 litre wheelie bins commercially for around 37 in one-offs, hopefully the council has negotiated a much better price than that for bulk purchase.




You would think so, but some councils sell them for 23 and 28. Knowsley council is one of them. So far as my understanding goes....councils policy always was and always should be, are NOT to allowed to make a profit .
So if this council did get a better deal for bulk buying, they are therefore making a profit.
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