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#930731 - 25th Feb 2015 11:59am Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013
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Pleasing to know that although Merseyside's number of incidents were 69 times on children, there are no reported cases on Wirral or in Cheshire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31608320

More than 400 children have had tasers drawn on them by police in England and Wales in 2013, figures obtained by the BBC show.
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#930745 - 25th Feb 2015 1:36pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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Meh. Considering how violent and vile some youths are, I'm not too sympathetic. Don't be fooled by the use of the phrase "children".

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#930748 - 25th Feb 2015 2:06pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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That's 10 - 17 year olds, according to the article. How can you be called a child if you're above the age of consent, can leave school, join the army etc? A 16 year old completely off his/her head on cheap cider or worse won't be stopped by anything short of a taser, I reckon. Very misleading headline, but I'm not surprised - press always goes for the sensational angle.


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#930750 - 25th Feb 2015 2:27pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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A group of youths acting in a pack mentality can be menacing. Some groups, even as young as ten, have gone on to beat up or cause the death of adults so the drawing of a taser or baton can often be a necessity as a lot of kids today have no respect for authority.

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#930753 - 25th Feb 2015 2:37pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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What about the things you are unable to do legally, when seventeen or under. Vote, Drink buy cigarettes, gas or glue to name a few.I might as well throw in be paid the going rate for a days work.
The sensational headlines are part of growing up and recognising them for what they are, and saving the disappointment of being had.I did buy the Sunday sport one time (Woman has three breasts).I had to explain to all and sundry why I had bought the rag.

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#930754 - 25th Feb 2015 2:44pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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The distinction has to be made between "children" and young feral thugs I suppose. A police officer may only have a second or two to issue A) a verbal warning or B) 50,000 volts !

Pre-nanny state, a thick ear and a frog-march back to the parents for another thwack from them would solve the problem. Sadly, no longer the case. Where's Dixon of Dock Green when you need him? grin

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#930755 - 25th Feb 2015 3:18pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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Various quotes from a recent article on 'The State of Children's Rights 2014 Report' by Children's Rights Alliance England from Freedom of Information requests made to all police forces in England - but not all forces replied.

Tasers were deployed in some form against children in 230 cases last year, according to the report.

A spokesman for the Association of Chief Police Officers said they could not comment without seeing the raw figures.

Cases in which the less lethal weapons were actually fired - as opposed to being merely removed from the holster or "red dotted" - constitute a small minority, however.

The report recommended banning use of tasers on children.

Note that the BBC report is for 2013, and is from the Home Office, which says this is the first time it has released these figures.

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#930808 - 25th Feb 2015 4:58pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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I live near a school, some of the lads there are six foot odd and well built dont let the label "child" confuse you, I left school and went into the Merchant navy at 16 starting as a peggy you learned to do as you were told pretty quickly, no need for a taser, just a slap or a thump.

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#930877 - 25th Feb 2015 9:18pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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I think what is more shocking (pardon the pun) is the number of deaths caused by tasering. Would have thought they could come up with some safer form of "control" . But I suppose you could argue theres many people still alive that would otherwise just have been shot dead.

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#930907 - 26th Feb 2015 12:53am Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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The problem with 'control' when talking about controlling another person is how to take away their ability to still do harm to themselves or to others without causing harm to the controllers. Previous generations have gone from the sword and muskets down to batons and tasers in this country. This is because we, hopefully, are becoming more understanding and humane. The difficulty is which form of non-lethal measures do we use? All methods need to be despatched from a safe distance. So we have a choice of letting the person doing the wrong to carry on or control them via the likes of tasers, baton rounds, shooting bean bags, batons etc and they all have ethical issues and risks. I'm sure any sensible ideas to problem would be appreciated. After all, not all police officers are hardened and they too suffer from the stress and guilt of any unfortunate mishap.

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#931157 - 27th Feb 2015 9:09am Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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#931241 - 27th Feb 2015 1:51pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: GeeMeister]
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The most recent police statements that I have seen refer to Tasers (or Tasering) as the 'least-lethal' means of control.

If I remember correctly (as other posts on here do the same)then they had been called 'non-lethal'.

That seems to be a discrete admission that they are actually lethal.

I know, the police are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. And as a recent poll/survey revealed, two thirds of the population wouldn't have their job.

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#932381 - 5th Mar 2015 9:59pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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Given the choice between a baton, CS gas, land shark or taser, I would take the taser (not that I will ever be in that position) every time!

And just to clarify, just because the taser is drawn, that doesn't mean used wink Sometimes, just being red dotted is enough.
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#932479 - 6th Mar 2015 2:33pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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Don't know what all the fuss is about?

Got to be better getting a quick shock than getting kicked around by the cops like they did years ago. smile
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#932494 - 6th Mar 2015 5:56pm Re: Tasers Drawn on 400 children in 2013 [Re: granny]
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My son and his mate got red- dotted exciting a local Urbex Location. Arrested too but released without charge.

The place was surrounded by police- we thought it was a bit of an O.t.t reaction. Perhaps they were looking for some body else??
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