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#929306 - 18th Feb 2015 9:05pm Old Birkenhead Railways
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I was working at Cammel Lairds on Monday 16th Feb, at one of the two main Incomer Substations, Behind the building is what I'm assuming is an old railway route and a tunnel entrance, now heavily overgrown and filled in, The location of the tunnel entrance is opposite the dry dock to the north of the yard, below a priory/old church. Can any of you local experts shed any light on thisApologies for my lack of local knowledge as I only work in the area, but am fascinated by its rich heritage.

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#929322 - 18th Feb 2015 10:12pm Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: efiste2]
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I worked at Cammell Lairds in the 7o's. What you may have seen is the rails the outside crane ran along. The old railway line went from Rock Ferry to Woodside

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#929326 - 18th Feb 2015 10:34pm Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: Bandageman]
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The railway into Lairds came across New Chester Road on a bridge which was demolished in the 70's. This bridge also carried the tracks into Abbey Street carriage sidings . These sidings were above the electric sub-stations & now have industrial units built on them.
The connection from B.R. ran off the bridge down a ramp into the shipyard & the remains of this ramp can still be seen, facing the general stores.
In the days before lorries came into use all materials came by rail & were distributed around the yard by rail. There must still be a couple of miles of track still visible, with much more buried.
In the area in front of those Sub-stations were a group of reception sidings, where the incoming wagons were sorted for distribution around the yard. These sidings ended at the wall under the priory,& some of these were sited where the extended no.5 dock now occupies & also the Ship Managers offices (former North Yard canteen).

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#929389 - 19th Feb 2015 12:05am Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: 8HBob]
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Does this help? a tunnel from the yard to Monks' Ferry.


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#929392 - 19th Feb 2015 12:22am Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: efiste2]
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love reading sites like this when the tribal elders come online.

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#929408 - 19th Feb 2015 7:26am Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: hagar]
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More of the area.


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#929410 - 19th Feb 2015 7:38am Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: bert1]
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50s map, Monks Ferry Tunnel, it's not below the priory/church.

Was there a service tunnel from the church to the old cemetery?


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#929485 - 19th Feb 2015 2:04pm Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: bert1]
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I see from the 50's map, bert, that by then the line had been lifted. On the earlier map, the line led to a turntable. Maybe when the line was lifted, the tunnel was blocked up.
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#929486 - 19th Feb 2015 2:05pm Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: hagar]
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love reading sites like this when the tribal elders come online.


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#929643 - 19th Feb 2015 9:50pm Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: efiste2]
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Excellent info chaps, I think the maps show what I'm asking about, just a quick question the substations sit between the dry dock and the old line, tunnel entrance. I wish I'd have taken some pics, obviously there has been huge changes since the maps. The subs I'm guessing were installed very late fifties as the 33kv transformer has a built date stamp of 1958. If I were to stand with my back to them I would be looking at the dry dock, and a part demolished church higher up to the left, are we in the same place. If so have some of the docks shown on the maps been filled in

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#929651 - 19th Feb 2015 10:29pm Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: efiste2]
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Graving docks 1, 2 and 3 have been filled in, Graving Dock 4 is still extant.

Immediately south of Graving Dock 4 is the large Princess Dock which was an extension of a previous graving dock (5?)

Graving dock 4 (now just called The Graving Dock) points straight at St Mary's, Princess Dock runs beside St Mary's
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#929716 - 20th Feb 2015 5:44am Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: diggingdeeper]
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Can you locate the tunnel on this image?


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#929726 - 20th Feb 2015 7:34am Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: efiste2]
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If you want to know what the area once looked like, the website 'Britain from Above' has a number of views of the graving docks - e.g. This One
If you register, you are then allowed to zoom in - a lot of the pictures show some very good detail. Just a thought.
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#929768 - 20th Feb 2015 10:53am Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: billy_anorak59]
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Im onto my PC now so I can put an image of where Im speaking about, from the maps on here, it appears that the graveyard was built over for the dry dock that is there today, is that correct.

Heres a GE image, the red circle is where the tunnel entrance is, the grey obkect the circle cuts through in the lower right hand section is the transformer. and the red line perhaps where the line ran....


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#929774 - 20th Feb 2015 12:16pm Re: Old Birkenhead Railways [Re: efiste2]
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Take a look at the Britain from Above site This picture for it's relationship to everything around it.
The tunnel is top left of the photo if it's the one in this zoomed in grab:


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