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How long is it since 'zero hour contracts' were introduced ? We were doing them going back to 1990's .. It was called 'temping'then. Temporary work through agencies. What's the difference now ? Market research, ....registered with six companies to make sure we got enough hours in a week. It wasn't a problem for anyone.

Here, here granny !!!

I heard something on the TV that disturbed me too about foodbanks.
It was about the amount of people who use them because their benefits are taking too long to be processes.
So, for example, if the benefits take 6 weeks to be processed they have used the foodbanks for this amount of time.
But what the news reporters forgot to ask was that once employment was found did any of these "scroungers" give anything back to the foodbank that helped them. I mean, if it takes 6 weeks delay to get your "dole" then they will still be paying you 6 weeks into employment so therefore you will be getting double paid.

I wonder how many people gave back.
Probably none

So,from what I have gathered from your replies, so far, you are in favour of zero hour contracts and people having not enough money to feed themselves. How very compassionate.

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So, for example, if the benefits take 6 weeks to be processed they have used the foodbanks for this amount of time.

No, they get 3 days worth of staple food:rice, tins of spam and tins of peaches, for example, for a maximum of 3 times per year. 9 days food for the 42 days that it takes to process claims.

I mean, if it takes 6 weeks delay to get your "dole" then they will still be paying you 6 weeks into employment so therefore you will be getting double paid.

They have to 'sign off' as soon as they are employed

I wonder how many people gave back.

[b]Who knows?[/b]
Probably none

[b]Evidence??[/b][/quote]

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So, for example, if the benefits take 6 weeks to be processed they have used the foodbanks for this amount of time.

No, they get 3 days worth of staple food:rice, tins of spam and tins of peaches, for example, for a maximum of 3 times per year. 9 days food for the 42 days that it takes to process claims.

So, the Foodbank is not the 'bottomless pit' of oh so tasty food. Christmas and Easter Seasonal Workers, say at Cadburys. They may work part time for 6 weeks ( takes 6 weeks for the CTX and WTC to come through). Then, they are back on the dole- no money for 6 weeks. Then employed again, for another 6-8 weeks.....and so it goes on.....

Read it again Buzzybee and talking about compassion, how much percentage do you give from your earnings each week/month to charity. How much do you put into the community and how much do you think everyone else should contribute to their community
by denying themselves the food that they also need ?

Exactly!

The benefit scrounger
Dolite
... bucket
Scav

This is exactly what is a benefit scrounger, the moaning /... that refuse to work for what they are offered!

A job is a job, you work for your money, you don't scav it, beg for it or steal it.

There are people on benefis and there are SCROUNGERS!

The people on benefits are the ones activley seeking work genuinly, the SCROUGERS are the ones who chat bubbles like "Wouldn't get out of bed for that", "can't be assed, not enough pay" "blah blah, i'm just a scrouger but don't want to admit it"!

Piss me reet off those mugs, getting sick of it now, FUMIN!

Plenty of people out there that would desperatly do the work others whine and winge about.

Don't get me started on the baby factories .

There has been a lot of misinformation put foreward on this thread, the minimum wage hasnt risen every year, agency work and temping are not one and the same as zero hours contracts, and the simple market forces economic and business plan as mentioned by Adam must have been taught to him at school, I have done my 50 years, made redundant in the 80's and scrounged, bummed, scaved,doled or what other unsavoury name you wish to call it for four months at that time, and I am not ashamed to say I am glad that safety net was there whilst I looked for another job, and yes I also worked part time as well, suffice to say I have contributed to the system that gave me that support when I needed it, most people work to live, liking your job doesnt come into it, unless you are very fortunate to do something you like, so Ste and Adam remember when you are attacking the unfortunates that need help and assistance, you could be in the same postion, I am not talking about the unemployed that dont wish to work, just the unfortunate that need help.

But you weren't a scav, it wasn't your fault you were in that place, you were actively seeking work, I'm on about the real bums who won't work.

I'm not attacking the unfortunate people.

I also don't agree with the work placement the benefit place expect people to do, that's slave labour.

There is a dark side to the world of work Casper.

Well said casper,So true, a man talking from "experience" it goes a long way!!

Jeez this has gone way off topic,Some people just love to rant.

Ste thank you for the clarification, but your post seem a bit muddled at times you appear to be including those on the minimum wage and trades unions etc, trade unions are essential when we have a government that seems intent on reintroducing mass poverty, everyone has a choice, contrary to what Adam says there are bad employers that abuse their workers and ignore paying the minimum wage, I have always found if people are treated right and fairly then they will go the extra mile and that benefits everybody,simply put if on the other hand you are treated badly then that affects the way you perform, high labour turnover, poor shoddy work, no loyalty,the textile workers in India paid buttons and working in unsafe conditions have been helped by people refusing to buy products supplied by these companys, is that right or wrong? will they lose their jobs or will they lose their lives when the building collapses or is burnt to the ground as has happened, its a hard call isnt it.

It's a pathetic state of affairs that we are even discussing food banks and zero hour jobs in this day and age. This country's economy, we're told, is the envy of Europe but I look around me and see that our standard of living generally has plummeted. People are shopping at the 'cheapo' shops to try to make ends meet. There are cut backs everywhere, councils, NHS, police etc and the level of child poverty is at an all time high. Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger, far from it. Many live hand to mouth and clothe themselves and their families from charity shops. A very long way from Mr Osborne and his Eaton ilk fat cats.

Right on Nick,the constant attacks on the unfortunate really get me down, the propaganda issued by the Tories has really worked well, whilst a number of them of all parties, thieve and lie and pervert the course of justice they have the audacity to point the finger at others, I can understand those that steal to feed their families ( though I dont condone it )but what I dont understand are those that steal to feed their already full bank accounts.

Nickleg
So far I doubt we are worse than most of the European countries, with regard to food aid and poverty etc .
Food banks have probably now been seen as a necessesity in this country and that makes me very angry. Mainly because it is the state taking off the rest of the good natured population (even if it is a voluntary act set up by the Trussel Trust). In such a short time it has become the acceptable norm, and what was supposed to be an interim help has now become expected. Therefore in their own wisdom, the Trussel Trust has caused more problems than cures.
The government are undoubtadly seeing this as a benefit, and strangely there has been little or no response since the Archbishop of Canterbury's voiced his message the other day.
Whilst this goes on the government have no reason to intervene for the needy of society.

Casper, my reply to buzzybee was in response to her question of why people should have to take on several low paid jobs to avoid foodbanks ! We did just that as mothers, as explained, but no one has explained to me what the difference is between temp work , when you only get paid for hours you work and zero hour .contracts.
I think we are all relating to our own experiences and the 80,s were bad , hence we as a family moved 300 miles away for work, and thus ending in a breakdown in our marriage. Many bad experiences then, but we got on with it all a never expected charity, because it wasn' t there. Neither were any family members there to give support or help.

Hello granny you talk alot of sense,So you can stay lol those food banks are offering some free advice to the people that use them on how to manage there debts I wonder if these payday loans have anything to answer for!! they dont half get my back up borrow a thousand pounds for Christmas pay back TWO next Christmas .. they should be stopped at all cost .. I would sooner go without myself but for the younger generation its to much of a temptation.