Well there's no chance of using corporal punishment, no chance of sending them all to 'bootcamp', no chance of trying to make them see sense. So what do we do ?
Firstly, how about the parents, i.e. mothers or fathers, together or apart being drawn into the equation ? It's hard controlling kids if they are mixed in with others, but I have to ask, why are the younger ones wandering the streets at night. The streets are turning into their playgrounds for the wrong games and the parents need to take responsibility , and if they have a drink or drugs issue, they need that sorting too. No quick fix, a multitude of problems that have to be tackled together. If the parent are not happy to take their responsibilities , fine them. The kids might soon start to feel the pressure of the guilt, and there's no good protecting these kids, because they are the recipe for ongoing trouble if not stopped. Who would let their dog get away with biting ? Just my opinion.
The parents are worse than the kids.They just want the kids out of there way so they can get high or drunk.
Well there's no chance of using corporal punishment, no chance of sending them all to 'bootcamp', no chance of trying to make them see sense. So what do we do ?
Firstly, how about the parents, i.e. mothers or fathers, together or apart being drawn into the equation ? It's hard controlling kids if they are mixed in with others, but I have to ask, why are the younger ones wandering the streets at night. The streets are turning into their playgrounds for the wrong games and the parents need to take responsibility , and if they have a drink or drugs issue, they need that sorting too. No quick fix, a multitude of problems that have to be tackled together. If the parent are not happy to take their responsibilities , fine them. The kids might soon start to feel the pressure of the guilt, and there's no good protecting these kids, because they are the recipe for ongoing trouble if not stopped. Who would let their dog get away with biting ? Just my opinion.
The parents are worse than the kids.They just want the kids out of there way so they can get high or drunk.
Yay, just what we need- as a society- a ridiculous 'sticking plaster fits all' judgemental and insular attitude.
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Granny- how will 'fining' parents help, do you think? Who will oversee this punitive response??
What about the kids who maybe physically, mentally or sexually abused?? Being apart of the 'Black tracksuit gang' may be the only sense of belonging that these kids have??
Fining the parents will show the kids that their actions do impact on their own families not just the people they are out to abuse. Rude , if one of yours behaved this way, what would you do ? It's a tricky one, but if anyone wants a kid to be saved, they need it addressed in the most effective way possible before they end up in prison. Thinking about the right move for years on end is not beneficial to anyone. I would want to know why these kids are out at night. If they are abused, then they need to be taken out of the situation, not enabled to cause more abuse to others. It is the beginning of gang warfare and if you think it's ok to treat them with kid gloves Rude, then you must have blinkers on. The whole package has to be dealt with as one and the absent fathers should also be tackled. Why do the rest of society have to take the rap for their failings ?
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Granny- how will 'fining' parents help, do you think? Who will oversee this punitive response??
What about the kids who maybe physically, mentally or sexually abused?? Being apart of the 'Black tracksuit gang' may be the only sense of belonging that these kids have??
Fining the parents will show the kids that their actions do impact on their own families not just the people they are out to abuse. Rude , if one of yours behaved this way, what would you do ? It's a tricky one, but if anyone wants a kid to be saved, they need it addressed in the most effective way possible before they end up in prison. Thinking about the right move for years on end is not beneficial to anyone. I would want to know why these kids are out at night. If they are abused, then they need to be taken out of the situation, not enabled to cause more abuse to others. It is the beginning of gang warfare and if you think it's ok to treat them with kid gloves Rude, then you must have blinkers on. The whole package has to be dealt with as one and the absent fathers should also be tackled. Why do the rest of society have to take the rap for their failings ?
Ok- I acknowledge your response granny and will respond to you in due course. Would you like me to respond to you as a Mental Health Professional or as a bog standard Mum?? I can do both.Just not right now- wow, when did this become personal??
Fining the parents will show the kids that their actions do impact on their own families not just the people they are out to abuse. Rude , if one of yours behaved this way, what would you do ? It's a tricky one, but if anyone wants a kid to be saved, they need it addressed in the most effective way possible before they end up in prison. Thinking about the right move for years on end is not beneficial to anyone. I would want to know why these kids are out at night. If they are abused, then they need to be taken out of the situation, not enabled to cause more abuse to others. It is the beginning of gang warfare and if you think it's ok to treat them with kid gloves Rude, then you must have blinkers on. The whole package has to be dealt with as one and the absent fathers should also be tackled. Why do the rest of society have to take the rap for their failings ?
Ok- I acknowledge your response granny and will respond to you in due course. Would you like me to respond to you as a Mental Health Professional or as a bog standard Mum?? I can do both.Just not right now- wow, when did this become personal??
Happy with bog standard mum response, thanks. Probably more valid than Mental Health 'Professional' service in this area which is pretty dire, normally just community workers who think they've experienced life, with very limited qualifications.
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Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. ~Chief Seattle
Whilst some people would like to see more probation officers, more social workers, better psychiatric understanding from the professionals of the kids who don't give a tuppeny hoot for anybody who spoils their idea of fun, and more pots of money spent on improving the living standards of those who feel they have no stake in its society, I'm afraid none of those things are practical nor possible. Fifty years of treading down the path of social liberalism have brought us to this. These kids see their behaviour as nothing more than a good laugh. When the Noctorum and Ford Estates were built back in the sixties, they housed many families from the poorer quarters of Birkenhead. Places like Priory buildings springs to mind. Back then we all still had an understanding of our place in society. Teachers, the police, the courts, our employers, all had our respect. But all that has gone. Birkenhead had a magistrates clerk, Johnny Cullen, who ran the courts with an iron fist. He was despised by the lawbreakers, but by god they knew what to expect when they stood in the dock before any of his benches. The consequences of years of liberalism, which removed all trace of anything resembling punishment and authority from the courts, the police, and teachers have gone. Never will those days ever return. The riff-raff could be eating the bar stewards in parliament alive, and there would still be those amongst them screaming for justice for the dispossessed. The country is knackered. Just glad I managed to work my way out of ever living on one of the council estates that this country has to offer. I just pity the decent people who have no choice but to live on them. It must be hell on earth, but they only have the liberal politicians and courts to thank for their plight. And none of the three political parties, we only ever hear from when they want our vote, could give a monkeys.
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