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Waddi #892488 6th Aug 2014 7:43pm
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Waddi, even the BVA wants the practice banned.

quote :“We strongly support a ban of wild animals in travelling circuses and would like to see all administrations in the United Kingdom ban this unethical practice "

http://www.bva.co.uk/news/3716.aspx

They can't all be wrong.

I understand you have been involved with zoo's etc. but the wild animals in zoo's are not performing tricks or being trained for such purposes. That, I think is one of the most predominant reasons for protests. It is certainly the reason for which I oppose the practice, whether they have been bred in captivity or not. Animals performing , is something that I find tear jerking.
We all get a bit heated in these discussions, and no hard feelings meant, I am sure you know much more than the rest of us on here but the authorities are the ones we are more likely to listen to for obvious reasons. smile


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Originally Posted by granny
Waddi, even the BVA wants the practice banned.

quote :“We strongly support a ban of wild animals in travelling circuses and would like to see all administrations in the United Kingdom ban this unethical practice "

http://www.bva.co.uk/news/3716.aspx

They can't all be wrong.

I understand you have been involved with zoo's etc. but the wild animals in zoo's are not performing tricks or being trained for such purposes. That, I think is one of the most predominant reasons for protests. It is certainly the reason for which I oppose the practice, whether they have been bred in captivity or not. Animals performing , is something that I find tear jerking.
We all get a bit heated in these discussions, and no hard feelings meant, I am sure you know much more than the rest of us on here but the authorities are the ones we are more likely to listen to for obvious reasons. smile


So its the training of the animals to perform a certain task that you disagree with?

Like I've said all along everybody is entitled to an opinion and I will accept that that is their opinion, even if it differs to mine, as long as opinion that based on fact.

They do perform tasks, or tricks as you call them, that is fact, they are trained using positive reinforcement, a small meat treat as a reward, no negative reinforcement is used, no beatings, no whips, yes they do use 2 sticks known as guiders but these are not used to hurt the animal in any way, a slight tickle behind the ear to trigger a certain reaction, yes, but nothing like hitting, poking or prodding the animal. That is the facts surrounding training the big cats in this circus.

If your opinion is based on these facts then I will respect your opinion but politely disagree with you.


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http://youtu.be/u53NmuX7I-I

All I see here is a lot of people being entertained and amused by
a happy healthy dog, and 2 very proud trainers.
do I think It's cruel, unethical or even tear jerking.

I could watch it over and over.

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Originally Posted by Fatboy
http://youtu.be/u53NmuX7I-I

All I see here is a lot of people being entertained and amused by
a happy healthy dog, and 2 very proud trainers.
do I think It's cruel, unethical or even tear jerking.

I could watch it over and over.
LOL. What has Crufts got to do with Jollys circus? (Only read the description and not watched the video) crazy

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In the video that you cant be bothered watching is a trained dog sitting on its hind quarters maybe in a lot of pain as the dog then puts its paws over his sad tearful eyes. Do not train animals its so cruel....

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Originally Posted by ZipperClub
In the video that you cant be bothered watching is a trained dog sitting on its hind quarters maybe in a lot of pain as the dog then puts its paws over his sad tearful eyes. Do not train animals its so cruel....
Thanks for saving me wasting some data.

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flipping trainer doing naughty things to animals again.
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I suppose a dancing dog "performing" the Gangnam Style is totally acceptable? Judging by the clapping and cheering of the crowd and success in these talent shows? Any protests about that?

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Tut...tut. Llama on a lead yesterday with Circus Folk handing out discount leaflets in New Brighton....Kinda contradicts the 'Popular Demand' angle

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coca cola advertise don't they?

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Originally Posted by ZipperClub
In the video that you cant be bothered watching is a trained dog sitting on its hind quarters maybe in a lot of pain as the dog then puts its paws over his sad tearful eyes.


Our dog does that all the time, although they aren't "tearful" eyes sleep . He wasn't trained to do it. If it hurt, he wouldn't do it, as he is a complete wuss too.

That dog is happy! Bouncing around at the owners when they finish. Look at the tail, wagging and up.

Stop trying to add a sob story to something that isn't there, to get some impact.

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Do not train animals its so cruel....


What a ridiculous sweeping statement!

Guide dogs, DFD dogs, Hearing dogs, Rescue dogs (in their various forms from water rescue, mountain rescue to earthquake rescue, etc), Police dogs, Bomb snifing dogs, Hospital 'pat' dogs, etc, etc. Even just plain old toilet training and behavior training. All cruel eh?

Keep in mind most dogs like the training, as it keeps their mind occupied and healthy, and they think they are playing.

If an animal wants to train and do the activities, and the training is done in the right way, then I have no problems with that. If it doesn't then then it should not be forced (most circus animals I would think).

And no, I do not agree with circuses, because of their forced training practices, and the whole wild animals captive thing.

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I'm loving this topic ... If people want to go the circus so what its not everyone's taste but wish the tree huggers would leave off cause at the end of the day always got something to say ie smoking let's get it banned ok we quit now ecigs let's moan about that too ha joke ... Let's see hmmm oh yeh we all as humans have become trained to do as were told too ie go to work to live pay taxes follow suit and the other half moan and never pay tax don't work don't work a day in their lives have lots of holidays and houses too big for them and loadd of hard working taxes paying for it all yet seem to think they have a right to have a moan at everything all the time get a life get a job ... Getting back on the circus ha whatever takes your fancy ...if you wear diamonds you kill children if you wear fur you kill animals yet if you breath too much you kill us all ha ....

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Originally Posted by rhoobarb2002
Originally Posted by ZipperClub
In the video that you cant be bothered watching is a trained dog sitting on its hind quarters maybe in a lot of pain as the dog then puts its paws over his sad tearful eyes.


Our dog does that all the time, although they aren't "tearful" eyes sleep . He wasn't trained to do it. If it hurt, he wouldn't do it, as he is a complete wuss too.

That dog is happy! Bouncing around at the owners when they finish. Look at the tail, wagging and up.

Stop trying to add a sob story to something that isn't there, to get some impact.

Originally Posted by ZipperClub
Do not train animals its so cruel....


What a ridiculous sweeping statement!

Guide dogs, DFD dogs, Hearing dogs, Rescue dogs (in their various forms from water rescue, mountain rescue to earthquake rescue, etc), Police dogs, Bomb snifing dogs, Hospital 'pat' dogs, etc, etc. Even just plain old toilet training and behavior training. All cruel eh?

Keep in mind most dogs like the training, as it keeps their mind occupied and healthy, and they think they are playing.

If an animal wants to train and do the activities, and the training is done in the right way, then I have no problems with that. If it doesn't then then it should not be forced (most circus animals I would think).

And no, I do not agree with circuses, because of their forced training practices, and the whole wild animals captive thing.

I was being my usual sarcastic self, obviously it went over your head

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