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The tiger might have died for reasons nothing to do with circuses , but heres a nice video of actual footage of the accommodation for Jolly's big cats, with them enjoying their spacious surroundings . In the gloom, you can make out the stereotypical swaying and pacing --and you insist they dont suffer stress in the confinement of circus quarters?


Worth a look folks and make your own minds up about whether you want lions and tigers incarcerated like this for huge parts of their lives - and remember , as Waddi and Kreki say - the accommodation you are looking at , is ABOVE the normal standard .

http://www.ad-international.org/animals_in_entertainment/go.php?id=3698&ssi=10

I have seen that video venice and it is disgusting. I have also seen today a covert video of the 'pound' that the dogs are kept in- filmed two days ago at the Saughall Massey camp.

It appears to be a metal'play pen' type extension to the back of a truck. Not nice viewing tbh.

(Not uploaded to YouTube yet as far as I know- otherwise I would Upload it)

Saughall Massey camp???? Thought the pound was in Birkenhead?

meaning the circus site. The area the dogs are contained in though reminds me of the pound.

Duh , sorry , didnt know they had performing dogs .

I'd also like to point out that that specific video does NOT show the full enclosure which the animals are permitted freedom in. Maybe if the "Reporter" who recorded the animals had actually entered the compound and taken good quality and clear photos/video (Like they have been invited to do) this could be addressed. But no, its better to twist the actual truth as per usual. Nor does the video refer to the fact the animals are given regular exercise. Pictures and other videos Ive seen all Imply that the animals are kept in their cages at all times, and that simply is not true. They are allowed to play with another in social settings, but then also given their own solitary time as they would obtain in the wild. There is also a number of "Toys" and other interesting objects available within the outer pen. The cage doors are left open allowing them to exit and enter freely at their Own Accord.

Also for the record, "Circus Madness" and "Zoochosis" are not recognised terms. "Stereotypy" is the term given to abnormal behaviors. Abnormal Behaviours which can be seen in the majority of all captive animals. Do any of your animal friends own horses? Maybe they have noticed their horses whinnying loudly and randomly, kicking the stable door, eating and chewing their bridles? All stereotypical actions of captive animals, so therefore just as cruel to own a Horse as it is to own a Tiger/Lion !!

Kreki, you seem to have a massive amount of knowledge about this circus and what goes on behind the scenes.
It's obvious you are fighting for the very survival of the 'circus' as we know it. Nothing wrong with that and I actually feel sympathy for the circus owner (whoever it is) and the families of the circus, it must be a devastating blow for everyone, once the star attractions are pulled from the show.
Unfortunately, the previous members of the circuses have given a bad name. Two of the Chipperfield's family were fined in the past, for animal cruelty and the public have long memories. Therefore the public cannot be blamed for defending the animals from such cruelty or bad conditions.
Is that a fair case or not and do you think we should disregard animal cruelty in the hope it doesn't happen again?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2230913.stm

One more thing. The Government gave a license for Welfare of Animals in Travelling Circuses, but as I understand it the local council should also provide a licence for 'Performing Animals' Either this Government link has it wrong or someone else has. There is no mention of the circus having to be on council land.
https://www.gov.uk/government/polic...ages/wild-animals-in-travelling-circuses

"evidence" gathered by the ADI or CAPS holds no credibility with me, they a renowned for misquoting, manipulating images and videos and misinterpretation to suit their agenda. I have no problem with people disliking animal circuses, if their opinion is based on true facts and things they have seen with their own eyes, not on the propaganda that ADI and CAPS project. It is also the protest that I object to, seems very victorian to me, 'quick villagers! here is something we don't like, grab your pitchforks and burning torches and let's get an angry mob together to run them out of town'

As for retired animals, as part of the new regulations, all circus animals must have a retirement plan, most of the time this does not include going to a zoo, because most zoo's are a member of the organisations BIAZA and/or EAZA which forbids the transfers of animals between a member and a non member, and the circus is not a member, also space in zoo's is tight and reserved for animals important in the breeding program, I'm not saying this doesn't happen, Martin Lacey of the great British circus sent animals to noahs ark zoo and west midlands safari park sent some of their animals into the circus.

Far from it! My intentions cannot be that obvious, as I have no affiliation with the circus whatsoever. I merely take offence to others trying to force their views on innocent public members due to boredom, when the majority of them are seemingly uneducated on the matter at hand. Especially when something as innocent as a family going to the circus, is rudely interrupted and criminalised by a small group of protesters, who then happen to not enforce those same views in other areas of society where supposed "Cruelty" is clear as day. What when the Circus finally packs up and leaves, what then? Do the protesters then pat each other on the back, say "Well done Gang!" and carry on with their mundane lives cutting their grass and feeding their own captive animals, or do they continue to fight other branches of animal welfare around the UK.

Out of interest, if say a family member of yours turned out to be a Child Molester of which you had No knowledge of until the guilty party was tried and sentenced. Would it be fair to tarnish you and the rest of your family with the same brush? So in answer to your question, no it is not a fair case unless there is ACTUAL PROOF of animal Cruelty. Innocent before proven guilty maybe?

Go along tonight and ask them?!

Granny- the circus in Saughall Massey is on privately owned land not council land.

In response, that is a most bizarre comment. Do you not protect your children at all times ?
No need to reply.....as I am now offline for holidays. Good luck with your venture, it obviously carries no weight around here.

Using Mary Chipperfields conviction to try and discredit Thomas Chipperfield is just wrong, that's like taking a taxi drivers license away because a distant relative was convicted of death by dangerous driving 15 years ago. Plus training methods and living conditions for circus animals have evolved a lot since then anyway.

Granny , I will reply. Simply to state that you have failed to bring anything constructive to this discussion in my eyes. And there is clearly an equal support on here for both camps. Every time I raise a point however, you seem to palm it off. An immature way to go about internet discussions, but I will wish you a happy holiday! All the best.