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#875138 - 13th May 2014 9:15pm Havelock gardens
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Behind brassey street there used to be old victorian tenements called havelock gardens, dont suppose anyone has any photos or info?

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#875174 - 14th May 2014 10:32am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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The 1881 census and the 1911 census summary book has no mention of Havelock Gardens, they have Havelock St and Back Havelock St, there's no sight of the gardens on the 1913 map below. Could they have been built later and not Victorian.


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#875175 - 14th May 2014 11:04am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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No pics ,but on map click

Suggest you look on Britain from Above" and see if any more better aerial photos (circle the part you want), post them and I'll try to enlarge to make an enlarged clearer view


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#875177 - 14th May 2014 11:36am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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enlarged view (may be able to do bigger)


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#875283 - 14th May 2014 10:31pm Re: Havelock gardens [Re: derekdwc]
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thanks very much Bert and Derek, will have a chat with me older sisters and show them this,
but i remember growing up at the bottom of brassey st. in the late 50's and early 60's and stepping off brassey street into havelock gdns was, even to a nipper like me like stepping back in time, through an arch into what seemed like now something from charles dickens time.

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#875452 - 16th May 2014 8:54am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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Sure you're not mixed up with Beaufort Square.
The Squares (Ilchester and St Andrews both had large archways into them,(I'm not sure of Beaufort)

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#875465 - 16th May 2014 9:44am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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#875498 - 16th May 2014 1:16pm Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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The only Havelock Gardens that I know of were the post-war flats built on the former site of Havelock Street. See info under this thread.

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#875691 - 17th May 2014 8:34pm Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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Derek sure it was havelock gdns not beaufort sq. we lived on the very bottom of brassey street, there was a corner shop and about 3 houses and if you walked halfway up brassey street towards Laird street there was an off licence on the right hand side. it was behind this location that i vaguely remember havelock gdns. It just seemed really really old fashioned, thanks for the pics

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#875693 - 17th May 2014 9:40pm Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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"Havelock street" was where the off licence was it was owned by Mary O'Sullivan, the picture above looks like Beaufort Square, which was at the back of pattern street, also off Brassy Street, I think Havelock gardens may have replaced Havelock street, late 60's

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#875760 - 18th May 2014 10:20am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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Originally Posted By: spanner1
Behind brassey street there used to be old victorian tenements called havelock gardens,


It appears they were built after 1945 and where Havelock St was. If they were flats I'd have thought they would look more modernish for that period.
Possibly what you may have seen were the old buildings in Havelock St just before demolishing and the building of havelock gardens.

Try click here for 1970s aerial view that may jog your memory. Put in a ch41 postcode to get map and move map to that area and magnify

Sorry, my previous posts were Beaufort Square.
This one may be the correct one


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#875768 - 18th May 2014 10:47am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: derekdwc]
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Havelock St on the 1913 map look like terraced houses, I would have expected them to be 2 up 2 down. A section on the 1911 census form requires the head of the household to fill in how many rooms, all the occupants of the street have filled the section, 2 rooms. Mr Kelly of number 14 has written his description which was not required, just a number would have done, by doing that, Mr Kelly has given an insight of what the properties consisted of.


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#875771 - 18th May 2014 11:06am Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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#876380 - 20th May 2014 11:37pm Re: Havelock gardens [Re: spanner1]
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thanks very much fellas I realise now thanks to your info that despite being post war they were three floor balconied tenements, it was all so dirty then it just seemed old fashioned to a little kid, thanks again, your all amazing

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