WikiWirral yrs online 24/7 365 days a year.
Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics76,196
Posts1,032,428
Members14,202
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
20 members (Alexmullen, 3 invisible), 1,044 guests, and 221 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Top Posters
sunnyside 45,164
MattLFC 22,315
Mark 21,268
granny 17,740
_Ste_ 16,338
Newest Members
EuanR, issy0412, Evo14, LaylaN, Anne8
14,202 Registered Users
New General Forums
cringe
by GaryFromWirral - 12th Aug 2022 7:52am
Picture you are not allowed to see
by Excoriator - 4th Aug 2022 9:28am
The beast . . .
by GaryFromWirral - 28th Feb 2022 1:48pm
Mavic Mini Drone - help needed please
by gerrymoore - 10th Dec 2021 3:28pm
New Wirral History
Wirral History Walks
by CateJones - 13th Aug 2022 7:37pm
The old Farmers Arms Moreton
by LindaTay - 30th Jul 2022 4:48pm
Voss Motors
by johncon - 30th Jul 2022 1:21pm
Tracing history of Bob simister motorcycles.
by Philoman - 10th Jun 2022 2:20pm
276 Rock Villa Hotel Ltd 329 Old Chester Road
by derekdwc - 18th Aug 2011 11:13pm
Top Posters(30 Days)
Leonny 8
bert1 8
_Ste_ 4
Topic Replies
Kitchen Appliances
by gerry1 - 17th Aug 2022 11:12am
Parking fine
by uptonbaz - 16th Aug 2022 9:04am
Exchange Rates
by uptonbaz - 16th Aug 2022 8:58am
Wirral History Walks
by CateJones - 13th Aug 2022 7:37pm
Sky Lantern
by diggingdeeper - 13th Aug 2022 11:29am
Volkswagen T4 Autosleeper Trooper LE VW Campervan
by polo_phil - 12th Aug 2022 11:40am
Coffee changing to Slime
by Leonny - 12th Aug 2022 3:41am
PS3 Controller Wanted Please.
by BultacoAstro - 11th Aug 2022 12:17pm
August
M T W T F S S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31
Top Likes Received (30 Days)
Top Likes Received
Mark 4
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#866040 21st Mar 2014 4:40pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Forum Veteran
OP Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Anyone heard of this?
I bought a copy of an Act of Parliament on e-bay. It's dated 1851; front page is the first pic. The second pic. is the paragraph referring to the South Reserve. My deduction is that was in the area shown in the attached map from 1910.
In the Act, there's no mention of the construction of any railway lines, so I must assume they were already in existence: in 1851, Grange Lane station had been opened and closed, Monks' Ferry was in operation and Woodside and Town stations not yet built. The proposed station was for goods; there is specific mention that it would not be used for passengers. I suspect that it would have been at the end of the lines through the Haymarket tunnel. Obviously, this is just a bill to permit building; I don't know if it was ever built.

Attached Images
2014-03-21 14-46-23_0028.jpg (483.89 KB, 196 downloads)
2014-03-20 17-24-27_0027.jpg (481.21 KB, 196 downloads)
Clip.jpg (384.71 KB, 192 downloads)

Carpe diem.
Google Ads
chriskay #866041 21st Mar 2014 5:10pm
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 472
Likes: 1
Smartchild
Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 472
Likes: 1
The South Reserve was the name given to the large area of reclaimed land on the south side of Wallasey Pool that was created to cut off the pool from the river and out of which Egerton and Morpeth Docks were excavated. 1858 maps of Birkenhead show that there were then two goods stations at this end of the railway's Dock Branch: one was the GWR Warehouse shown near the centre of your map extract next to Bridge Street, the other was for the Cheshire Junction Railway and was on the quayside next to the Dock Warehouses opposite the end of Cathcart Street. As the Shrewsbury and Chester Railway appears to have been part of the Great Western network, I suspect that the proposed 1851 station could refer to the former, though I would hardly describe the one shown on the map as being "on" the South Reserve which technically ended at Shore Road.

marty99fred #866046 21st Mar 2014 5:21pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Forum Veteran
OP Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Thanks. Funny, I said to Pinzgauer "marty99fred will know". My only complaint is that it took you 30 minutes to reply. grin

Of course, this was only a bill to permit the building; maybe it never existed.


Carpe diem.
chriskay #866051 21st Mar 2014 5:55pm
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 472
Likes: 1
Smartchild
Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 472
Likes: 1
It took me about 15 minutes to actually compose and type the reply!

marty99fred #866053 21st Mar 2014 6:15pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Forum Veteran
OP Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Originally Posted by marty99fred
It took me about 15 minutes to actually compose and type the reply!


And much appreciated. I'd never heard the term before.


Carpe diem.
chriskay #866055 21st Mar 2014 6:41pm
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,501
Wiki Veteran
Offline
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,501
Plenty in the papers, Chris, if you can get to view them.

An early report below,

Attached Images
sr 1850.JPG (125.61 KB, 151 downloads)
sr2.JPG (126.54 KB, 150 downloads)
sr3.JPG (102.41 KB, 151 downloads)

God help us,
Come yourself,
Don't send Jesus,
This is no place for children.


Bertieone.
chriskay #866058 21st Mar 2014 7:11pm
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,024
Forum Guide
Offline
Forum Guide
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,024
It's in one of those railway books, the Railways of Cheshire or something, I have the books but my mrs has tidied them away and that's as bad as putting them in a black hole, hopefully they will reappear so I can read them again :-)

chriskay #866591 24th Mar 2014 11:36am
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 472
Likes: 1
Smartchild
Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 472
Likes: 1
Part of a map showing one of the various proposals put forward for the arrangement of the entrance to the Great Float, this one by Hartley from 1856. This clearly shows the areas known as the North and South Reserve, which each consisted of 60 acres of reclaimed land.

Attached Images
Dock Plan 1856.JPG (166.25 KB, 72 downloads)
marty99fred #866622 24th Mar 2014 3:51pm
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Forum Veteran
OP Offline
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,868
Thanks for that. Interesting to compare it with the 1911 O.S. map. By then, what was the Woodside Basin had been filled in and was the site of the lairage and the Morpeth Branch Dock. Also, there was by then a G.W.R. goods station on the South Reserve; I wonder if that's the one the Act referred to?

Attached Images
Clip_2.jpg (224.48 KB, 55 downloads)

Carpe diem.
chriskay #896934 24th Aug 2014 3:39pm
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 339
Old Hand
Offline
Old Hand
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 339
The terms continued to be used by railwaymen associated with the docks - the South Reserve also had cryptically-named individual small yards and sidings - such as Manchester Siding - which may be self-explanatory.


Moderated by  Mod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Wirral History Walks
by CateJones - 13th Aug 2022 7:37pm
Sky Lantern
by steamfan - 11th Aug 2022 11:07pm
Exchange Rates
by BultacoAstro - 6th Aug 2022 9:11am
The old Farmers Arms Moreton
by LindaTay - 30th Jul 2022 4:48pm
For Sale & Free
Volkswagen T4 Autosleeper Trooper LE VW Campervan
by polo_phil - 9th Aug 2022 11:25am
Kitchen Appliances
by gerry1 - 2nd Aug 2022 1:10pm
Ipad Mini 5 256gb (slate grey)
by Catsick - 28th Jul 2022 1:15pm
Myford ML7 lathe with accessories
by spider - 28th Jun 2022 3:36pm
PS3 Controller Wanted Please.
by BultacoAstro - 26th Jun 2022 10:06am
Member Spotlight
snowhite
snowhite
Wirral
Posts: 7,095
Joined: January 2014
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
New Wirral Info
Exchange Rates
by BultacoAstro - 6th Aug 2022 9:11am
Parking fine
by Wickerman - 23rd Jul 2022 8:42pm
Eastham history
by MarkConnor1978 - 22nd Jul 2022 1:21pm
Restaurant/pub with outdoor seating - Bromborough
by CarterUSM - 7th Aug 2020 8:59pm
News : New Topics
Sky Lantern
by steamfan - 11th Aug 2022 11:07pm
Budgie found
by kenmo52 - 2nd Jul 2022 8:25pm
The State of Wirral these days 2022?
by keef666 - 23rd Jun 2022 10:05am
New Enthusiast Forums
System Meltdown
by GaryFromWirral - 8th Jul 2022 2:50pm
Super Bowl Chilli
by granny - 5th Feb 2019 3:13pm
What song are you listening to?
by - 24th Jun 2007 10:06am
Popular Topics(Views)
4,961,983 WIKI WALK CHAT
3,906,857 Spotted!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5