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#857158 - 9th Feb 2014 8:55pm Yates Castle Brewery Records
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Hi All

Heard a few whispers that the Yates Castle Brewery records where held in Manchester after John Smiths took them over.

However, did some digging and saw that some records are held at the central library in Liverpool

Has anybody seen the records and maybe know of more extensive records and photographs perhaps?

trying to find out some information about an old Pub owned by the brewery, then owned by John Smiths and finally taken over by Cains

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#857163 - 9th Feb 2014 8:59pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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I know that there were records in Manchester and John Smiths HQ in Tascaster, but I am not sure what records are kept in each!?!?!

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#857184 - 10th Feb 2014 12:36am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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This book may be of interest
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#857438 - 11th Feb 2014 10:53am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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The records held at Liverpool (as M380 YCB/1-7) consist principally of a few early cash books, day books and accounts belonging to Richard and James Yates, the founders of the brewery, and Joseph B Yates, covering from 1831-1868. There's also a batch of about 60 bills, invoices and letters relating to pubs in Birkenhead between 1888-1924, but not much else.

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#857459 - 11th Feb 2014 12:39pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: marty99fred]
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I believe there are some records held in Manchester and Tadcaster but im not sure what information they have over and above what is in Liverpool.

In short the Pub I am trying to find information on is over 150 years old and I have never been able to find one single photograph of it other than a small image when cains took it over in the 90's.

What probably doesnt help is that it has changed names a few times but even so a Pub of that age should have some sort of photography!

I have purchased the book recommended by Derek and I will see if there is anything in there.

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#857469 - 11th Feb 2014 1:36pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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Benny,

If you disclose the name and location of the Pub, you might get lucky, someone may be able to help.


If its 150 years old, Derek probably had his first drink in it. wink
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#857505 - 11th Feb 2014 3:46pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: bert1]
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HI Bert

Its the Old Colonial, formerly the Grapes Hotel/Inn

I did a full research project on it a few years back and its the 2nd most viewed Pub on Wiki Wirral and I have tried so hard to get a picture!!!!!!

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#857508 - 11th Feb 2014 4:05pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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is this the one bennyboy??


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#857509 - 11th Feb 2014 4:08pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: sunnyside]
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any help??


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#857536 - 11th Feb 2014 6:06pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: sunnyside]
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Benny

Not sure what information you need from 150 years ago,

Grapes Inn, Bridge St

Thomas Jones was the landlord early 1840s, mentioned in the Liverpool Mercury 1842 and listed in a 1843 directory. Margaret Jones, 1861 directory.
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#857629 - 11th Feb 2014 9:24pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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Grapes Hotel(from BOUMPHREY book 1)`

William Oliver Gray 1880 - August 1881
William Oliver Grey 1881-1882
Thomas Jones 1882-1883
Thomas Jones 1883-1884
Thomas Jones 1884-1885
Thomas Jones 1885-1886
Thomas Jones 1886-1887
Harry Newall 1887-1888
John Allison 1892-1895
John Allison 1896-1900
John Allison 1901-1903
John Allison 1904-1909
John Allison 1910-19
William Woodcock 1920-1930
James Jones 1931 - 1941
Lawrence McCarthy 1942 - 1952
Lawrence McCartney 1953 - 1963
Lawrence McCarthy 1964-1975

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#857637 - 11th Feb 2014 10:09pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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Sorry BennyBoy didn't see your post about buying the book

Don't know if this will help
Going into the archives don't know if you noticed the 1857 map on the wall
I think they have 80 maps same year series of Birkenhead which may have the shape of the Pub on one


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#857651 - 11th Feb 2014 10:49pm Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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This is from book 2
Previous list from archives Pub licences


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#857708 - 12th Feb 2014 11:32am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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Off pdf of Birkenhead Reference library photo index click


BC VI 211/76 Grapes Hotel
BPL 2765 Grapes Hotel, Liverpool
C3394 The old Colonial public house, Bridge street, Birkenhead 1989.


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#858867 - 17th Feb 2014 11:28am Re: Yates Castle Brewery Records [Re: BennyBoy]
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Hi Derek

We own the Old Colonial

Iv bought the first book but I couldnt find anything on the Grapes Hotel at all?

The second book I cant find anywhere it doesnt seem for Sale.

The Yates castle brewery records show it owned the Pub but I cant find any pictures etc.

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