WikiWirral 13yrs online 24/7 365 days a year.
Forum Stats
12249 Members
65 Forums
72885 Topics
982498 Posts
67 posts in the last 24hrs
Max Online: 7831 @ 8th Apr 2013 4:18pm
Who's Online - Click Me
80 registered (alan128, 13 invisible), 1685 Guests and 309 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


(Views 7days)This Weeks Most Read
Incident at Westminster 969
Martin Mcguinness dies 634
What happened to Tranmere car bootie? 629
Alloys refurb and colour change. The Wheel Deal. 509
File too large 447
Council tax bill for this year 2017 447
British troops to Estonia 378
Offset number plates 367
1882 Plan of the borough of Birkenhead and Wards 326
Petrol Lawnmower to purchase 277
New General Forums
Mannequin Challenge AKA MRI Scan
by fish5133
11:20 AM
Surely the most honest add.....
by buddy
20th Mar 2017 5:43pm
Happy Birthday DIZDAZDOZ
by snowhite
19th Mar 2017 4:24pm
My old friend the fox
by Dilly
18th Mar 2017 11:15am
New Wirral History
William Bernard's building, Birkenhead
by yoller
20th Mar 2017 4:27pm
1882 Plan of the borough of Birkenhead and Wards
by Dave_Wood
19th Mar 2017 11:57am
New Brighton Coop
by Mike_White
9th Mar 2017 12:48pm
Tranmere High School for Girls 1882 Chesnut Grove
by sarah708
6th Mar 2017 8:23pm
Whetstone Lane, Birkenhead
by MoretonExpat
6th Mar 2017 8:04am
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Birkenhead Transport Museum 24th Feb 2017
fireworks on the Mersey last night
Topic Replies
Rock Ferry High School, Rock Ferry,
by diggingdeeper
09:44 PM
Incident at Westminster
by diggingdeeper
09:14 PM
I am having a clear out!
by jeffrey
08:05 PM
Has Talktalk been hacked yet again?
by fish5133
07:30 PM
White Hyundai I30, 2011 plate For sale, 1.4 petrol
by goodoldphil
06:24 PM
What song are you listening to?
by starakita
02:56 PM
Offset number plates
by Gibbo
09:57 AM
'March' Photo Competition.
by fish5133
23rd Mar 2017 8:53pm
706 Plough Inn 25and 27 Breck Road Wallasey
by tigertiger1953
23rd Mar 2017 4:25pm
March
M Tu W Th F Sa Su
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
Recent Posts : What's On ?
Lee and Cragg Quarries - Bacup
by Mark
23rd Mar 2017 7:43am
Rufford Old Hall
by diggingdeeper
13th Mar 2017 9:58am
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#854684 - 30th Jan 2014 4:40pm Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston
NestonCYC Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 2nd Apr 2011
Posts: 19
Loc: Neston
Apologies if this has been posted before or is in the wrong forum.

I wanted to make sure wikiwirral readers were aware of the damage being done by Cheshire West council at an historic Wirral country lane, and to ask for your support.

Cuckoo Lane is a tranquil bridleway and has been enjoyed by many walkers and riders from across the Wirral peninsular for hundreds of years.

Cheshire council are determined to dump tons of old tarmac road scrapings, which are both unsightly and unfit for purpose, along the whole length of the lane. They also intend to use these to cover an ancient sandstone track and holloway and totally ruin the natural unspoiled character of the lane.

More information can be found here .

Over 600 people have joined a protest group on Facebook and we would be very grateful of your support also. Here's a link to the SAVE CUCKOO LANE Facebook page.

Thanks for your time.

Top
Wirral Info : Advertising
Click me for more Information......

* * * Dentwiz : Paintless Dent Repair * * *
Now Advertise with WikiWirral.
WikiWirral stats 35,000 Page Views a Day +500 Search Engines.. Click Me
#854688 - 30th Jan 2014 5:02pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: NestonCYC]
fish5133 Online   content
Forum Master

Registered: 22nd Mar 2010
Posts: 2866
Loc: Heswallish
there are signs up on the wirral way for it to be widened in 5 places--my cynical mind was wondering if this was to make money on reduced tipping fees to contractors . Years ago farmers could make a nice sum of money by filling in depressions in there fields by charging contractors less than the normal tip charges. Govt got wind of this and the tipping (landfill) tax suddenly came along--apparently to make contractors/architects try and use excavated material on site landscaping.

The road planings could well be from the company Colas who have contracts with WBC -

Are road planings not fit for purpose for horses? Dont riding schools have cinder areas for teaching?

Could be argued that it opens up the path for wheelchair users and those not so steady on their feet


Edited by fish5133 (30th Jan 2014 5:05pm)

Top
#854752 - 30th Jan 2014 7:54pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: fish5133]
NestonCYC Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 2nd Apr 2011
Posts: 19
Loc: Neston
It's a complex scenario and the true motivations for the council over this are somewhat obscure.

It's some combination of a particular local councilor's pet project to tarmac as many country tracks as she can, an external funding opportunity related to improving access and travel to work areas, and the councils need to show how good they are in relation to the environment and improved disabled access for all things.

There is also a whiff of improved access to a remote field for the installation of two wind turbines about 100 yards or so from the lane going around due to a recent planning application going in.

The council of course are providing all sorts of rubbish arguments which have been shown to be without foundation or any evidence to back them up.

As to the use of plannings for horses - I'm not really sure why as I don't ride, but the riders I have spoken to say their horses just don't like the surface for some reason.

The plannings might make for better disabled access, and this indeed is an argument put forward by the council. Trouble is that the topography of the site with steep slopes in a couple of areas means that it would be still be unsuitable unless these large changes in height were leveled out in some way - wholly wrong for the site and very expensive to implement.

Have a look at the pictures on the facebook site to get a better appreciation of the lane and what's involved plus the pig's ear of the work they have done so far.

Top
#854795 - 30th Jan 2014 10:48pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: NestonCYC]
venice Offline

Forum Master

Registered: 21st Jul 2011
Posts: 2620
Loc: Wirral
Only just seen this and Im horrified. LEAVE IT ALONE !Its a lovely magical old lane which definitely gives you a feeling of History when you walk it . The alterations are just horrible.
If the council are using the excuse that they are opening up paths for the disabled, to prams, etc,if they have the money to do such things, then why the heck dont they start in the more obvious places that actually NEED a better surface?

The pavement between the Aldi Depot at Fiveways towards Heswall, is a disgrace , cerainly not passable to prams and wheelchairs, and on wet days ,only good for a pedestrian with wellies ! What about the park at the end of Flint Meadow that curves round the back of Flint Close - the paths there have never been tended, most of them are just unusable slippery muddy messes and LOTS of people would like to use those paths more, to access the village from the bottom part of the estate.

Loose ashphalt surfaces arent even very good for wheelchairs - have you ever tried wheeling a chair over it or any rubbly type surface - its awful. That 'disabled' excuse needs to be shot down right away.

Where was the link to the petition please? Didnt notice it on the FB page.


Edited by venice (30th Jan 2014 10:50pm)

Top
#854798 - 30th Jan 2014 10:55pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: venice]
Bobario Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 27th Jun 2012
Posts: 47
Loc: Leasowe
Originally Posted By: venice
Only just seen this and Im horrified. LEAVE IT ALONE !Its a lovely magical old lane which definitely gives you a feeling of History when you walk it . The alterations are just horrible.
If the council are using the excuse that they are opening up paths for the disabled, to prams, etc,if they have the money to do such things, then why the heck dont they start in the more obvious places that actually NEED a better surface?

The pavement between the Aldi Depot at Fiveways towards Heswall, is a disgrace , cerainly not passable to prams and wheelchairs, and on wet days ,only good for a pedestrian with wellies ! What about the park at the end of Flint Meadow that curves round the back of Flint Close - the paths there have never been tended, most of them are just unusable slippery muddy messes and LOTS of people would like to use those paths more, to access the village from the bottom part of the estate.

Loose ashphalt surfaces arent even very good for wheelchairs - have you ever tried wheeling a chair over it or any rubbly type surface - its awful. That 'disabled' excuse needs to be shot down right away.

Where was the link to the petition please? Didnt notice it on the FB page.

So its only good for us mountain bikers?

Top
#854807 - 30th Jan 2014 11:24pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: NestonCYC]
w10694 Offline
Addict

Registered: 31st Dec 2008
Posts: 240
Loc: cheshire
Please support us.

Top
#854831 - 31st Jan 2014 9:28am Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: venice]
NestonCYC Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 2nd Apr 2011
Posts: 19
Loc: Neston
Thanks for your comments Venice, there is no petition right now but it is one of the options being discussed. The council is having a regroup and rethink at the moment as they were clearly unprepared for any opposition. What they come back with will determine our next actions.

For now, anyone against this unjustified and inappropriate damage to a previously unspoiled country lane can do so by joining the Facebook group and contributing any thoughts or ideas they have.

Top
#854834 - 31st Jan 2014 9:43am Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: Bobario]
NestonCYC Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 2nd Apr 2011
Posts: 19
Loc: Neston
Hi Bobario, not sure in the end, who it will be good for.

The council seem to have gone into this with precious little thought. They bid for and won a pot of external government funding (Local Sustainable Transport Fund) - the remit for which is to help local people connect to jobs and services. Then they had to spend it somewhere - Cuckoo Lane seems to have been one of the unfortunates that pulled out a short straw.

They have laid a 100m or so stretch of these tarmac plannings so far and whilst it might be able to be used by walkers, road and mountain bike riders (though, it is still designated as a bridleway, so usage rules apply), horse riders and possibly those of more limited mobility - no one that I have spoken to actually enjoys using the type of surface or the desolate, featurless way they have created.

Top
#854843 - 31st Jan 2014 10:40am Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: NestonCYC]
granny Offline

Wiki Master

Registered: 29th Jun 2011
Posts: 13974
Loc: Wirral
Have you contacted your local MP ?

It must be the Woodpark Farm Turbines. More here. Meeting last July

http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/Cheshire/Ne...ne-Consultation

http://www.aboutmyarea.co.uk/Cheshire/Ne...-Wood-Park-Farm


Edited by granny (31st Jan 2014 10:45am)
_________________________
...and those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.FN

Top
#854844 - 31st Jan 2014 10:56am Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: granny]
granny Offline

Wiki Master

Registered: 29th Jun 2011
Posts: 13974
Loc: Wirral
_________________________
...and those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.FN

Top
#854847 - 31st Jan 2014 11:09am Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: granny]
NestonCYC Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 2nd Apr 2011
Posts: 19
Loc: Neston
Thanks for the link Granny, they are the turbines in question. This application was withdrawn but I think that they have / are about to resubmit. Personally, I think this is coincidental and the council's motives lay elsewhere.

To be honest though, right now this is of secondary concern and we are busy trying to let as many people as know about the councils ham fisted destruction of Cuckoo Lane as possible so that they have an opportunity to voice their concerned with the council before it is too late.

We are in contact with the local MP, senior council executives and local councilors, but as you know, these people are interested in future votes and retaining power so it's numbers that really count.

We have just under 700 members in the SAVE CUCKOO LANE facebook group right now - I don't know how many we will need to tip the odds in our favour but it will be in four or five rather than three figures.

So have a look at the before and after pictures of what they have to the lane so far (on the facebook page link above), and if you agree with us that what Cheshire West council is doing is ugly, disrespectful of the natural environment, animal and plant habitats and just mindless destruction of an an historic sandstone path that has been used for centuries - then please consider joining the group and registering your objection - unfortunately, you have to have a facebook account but registration is free and pretty easy.

Top
#854850 - 31st Jan 2014 11:42am Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: NestonCYC]
venice Offline

Forum Master

Registered: 21st Jul 2011
Posts: 2620
Loc: Wirral
I noticed they were revamping the sunken garden behind the bowling green in Neston . A really radical makeover . Dont know why, because just a few days tidying up was all that was needed. Far better uses for the money , but of course, its nearly the end of the tax year isnt it ! So, that and Cuckoo Lane getting money wasted on them. Anywhere else? I remember a few years ago I heard they spent a fortune making that large scraggy looking layby on the A540 just up from Aldi distribution (alongside the neglected path to Heswall) but ONLY for police vehicles. I have NEVER seen a police vehicle in it, not once, and I use that road all the time.

Top
#854855 - 31st Jan 2014 12:04pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: NestonCYC]
granny Offline

Wiki Master

Registered: 29th Jun 2011
Posts: 13974
Loc: Wirral
Who does all that land belong to and how old is Cuckoo Lane?
If its' VERY old (like Viking old)try Professor Harding, Nottingham University. He's the Viking man on Wirral, and comes from Wirral.

Don't want to scaremonger but there wouldn't be anything to do with IGAS would there? That area already has it's license and they certainly won't shout about it when the time comes. Might need the wind turbines for that purpose. Don't know.


Edited by granny (31st Jan 2014 12:15pm)
_________________________
...and those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.FN

Top
#854872 - 31st Jan 2014 1:06pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: NestonCYC]
venice Offline

Forum Master

Registered: 21st Jul 2011
Posts: 2620
Loc: Wirral
Meant to add I dont know much about IGAS - are we talking shale route?

Top
#854889 - 31st Jan 2014 2:27pm Re: Cuckoo Lane, Little Neston [Re: granny]
NestonCYC Offline
Newbeee

Registered: 2nd Apr 2011
Posts: 19
Loc: Neston
Originally Posted By: granny
Who does all that land belong to and how old is Cuckoo Lane?
If its' VERY old (like Viking old)try Professor Harding, Nottingham University. He's the Viking man on Wirral, and comes from Wirral.


That's a good question and I'm blowed if I know or can find out ref the ownership - I guess it is common land but the bit at the top might belong to the farm which joins onto the A540. It's on the councils "defined map" as a bridleway and as such they have certain minimal obligations with respect to maintenance - they have no "duty" to do what they have done, however - that is beyond maintenance and well into upgrading.

About age - don't know definitely others on the facebook group will know more, but there is a map dated 1788 on which it is clearly marked but it includes a sunken road feature or ‘holloway', which take many, many hundreds of years to form. This plus other features and finds in nearby fields and other tracks have lead historians to suggest that lane has been used for around 700 years or so.

You can see the map plus other images relating to the lane on this little slideshow I put together a week or so back.

Slideshow

ps - thanks for the Viking / Prof Harding tip by the way - will investigate further

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  Mod 
Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Has Talktalk been hacked yet again?
by Habdab
10:25 AM
Offset number plates
by venice
23rd Mar 2017 1:24am
What does this all mean?
by venice
22nd Mar 2017 12:20pm
black contiboard locally?
by fish5133
21st Mar 2017 9:30pm
Port Sunlight
by alan128
21st Mar 2017 10:09am
For Sale & Free
White Hyundai I30, 2011 plate For sale, 1.4 petrol
by goodoldphil
06:24 PM
I am having a clear out!
by TheComputerLab
04:01 PM
Genuine Canada Goose Men's Chilliwack Jacket - L
by Liverpooltiger
23rd Mar 2017 1:14pm
Nail Varnish Stands X 2 (holds 50 in each one)
by j_demo
20th Mar 2017 5:49pm
Ipad
by madrob
19th Mar 2017 5:15pm
Featured Member
Registered: 21st Jun 2010
Posts: 987
Newest Members
Chippy, Onetoughcookie, Monkeyboyliam121, andreap, LairdLad
12249 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Has Talktalk been hacked yet again?
by Habdab
10:25 AM
What does this all mean?
by venice
22nd Mar 2017 12:20pm
black contiboard locally?
by fish5133
21st Mar 2017 9:30pm
Port Sunlight
by alan128
21st Mar 2017 10:09am
Council tax bill for this year 2017
by keef666
20th Mar 2017 10:25pm
News : New Topics
Incident at Westminster
by granny
22nd Mar 2017 3:40pm
Martin Mcguinness dies
by Dilly
21st Mar 2017 9:29am
British troops to Estonia
by fish5133
18th Mar 2017 8:16am
Unusual Phone calls
by granny
16th Mar 2017 3:53pm
Thanks
by Christinerowland
14th Mar 2017 8:11pm
New Enthusiast Forums
Offset number plates
by venice
23rd Mar 2017 1:24am
File too large
by Dilly
20th Mar 2017 10:41am
ford focus 1.6 t reg rattling
by Little_B
19th Mar 2017 11:02pm
Alloys refurb and colour change. The Wheel Deal.
by TheComputerLab
18th Mar 2017 9:17am
Has anyone fished
by Habdab
17th Mar 2017 8:43pm
(Views 24hrs)Trending Newest Topics
Has Talktalk been hacked yet again? 126
Mannequin Challenge AKA MRI Scan 21
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Sat 6:00am
Sunset Sat 6:35pm
Local Time Sat 5:40am
WikiWirral Can . . . .
Advertising Click me
To Advertise with
Wikiwirral Click Me