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Originally Posted by nem12esis
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We have tried to Westernise these countries and it hasn't really worked.


I rest my case, we should just keep out of other countries and their ways as it never ever helps anybody. This can be clearly be seen from the case you quote. Let them get on with things and we take care of our own in the UK.


Thats what I said at the start , its terrible that OUR police force have to deal with helping foreigners escape arranged marriages. If thats whst that country does then leave them to it and dont interfer .

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Originally Posted by SUExx
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We have tried to Westernise these countries and it hasn't really worked.


I rest my case, we should just keep out of other countries and their ways as it never ever helps anybody. This can be clearly be seen from the case you quote. Let them get on with things and we take care of our own in the UK.


Thats what I said at the start , its terrible that OUR police force have to deal with helping foreigners escape arranged marriages. If thats whst that country does then leave them to it and dont interfer .


In context Nemesis the quote was:

" Barbaric regimes that have come to power over the last decades, grew up with their tribal rituals, and we should have stayed out.
That's too late and if we reap the rewards of our actions today, it is not the fault of any lesbian or any other individual who is subjected to possible torture or death for reasons beyond their control. We have tried to Westernise these countries and it hasn't really worked"

So not one tiny little bit of compassion from either of you then. That's ok, it's not my conscience which suffers, but your lack of even the slightest touch of empathy in this particular case , actually sickens me.
Just imagine your own child (adult or not) being tortured in a place where you couldn't protect them. You would be torn to shreds knowing what they might be suffering and you think that it is alright to condemn others to the same. Even if this is not as true as it might seem on the surface, again we are not here to make that judgement. You are judging only on what you perceive to be the truth.

..and nobody is talking about the flood gates being opened, just in case you have lost track. Strange how we never hear of anyone complaining about Israelis , Russians, Ukranians , Latvians coming here, to name a few, only when the skin is coloured do we here people jumping up and down. Go to Manchester Airport, watch the planes coming in and then wave your banners there.

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It's not my conscience which suffers either, I don't have one. Send her back to where she came from, send them all back where they came from, no matter what colour their skin, or sexual preference. They don't belong here and should find another country that would have them all instead of the UK. Oh, no one wants them in another country... I wonder why??... I`ll write a book on THAT subject later.

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Originally Posted by granny
. Go to Manchester Airport, watch the planes coming in and then wave your banners there.


You should know I do not do banner waving. I leave that to those who go on futile protest marches and those who are opposed to change who wish to remain in the 19th century, the dinosaurs in fact.

Rather than go there I say again, leave them alone in other countries, and stop economic migrants and health service visitors from coming here. This country is full, not enough gas, water, electricity or homes and insufficient land on which to build them, apart from the flood plains. Schools are full and education stifled by foreigners who do nor speak the language and thereby take up valuable teacher time, councils are in debt because of the costs of interpreters, the police take 10 times longer to deal with foreigners who do not understand what they are being told - need I go on?

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Oh dear me, there's nothing left to say other than you are happy to benefit from all the resources that come from Africa.

Every time you sit at a wooden table think about where it may have come from in it's original form, every time you see a gold ring, diamond, platinum, tin the list is endless and then think about the people who have possibly suffered whilst mining it for you.

If you should ever have to spend time in a hospital or care home, please tell the medical staff and care staff they are not welcome here and refuse them treating you or giving assistance.

You won't do that will you , because you have no backbone?

You only have a key board fixed to repeat, but no longer for my benefit because I don't and won't understand why you are so bitter to everyone in this world apart from yourself.

There must be a tiny glimmer of hope, but so far I can't see it.


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Originally Posted by granny
Oh dear me, there's nothing left to say other than you are happy to benefit from all the resources that come from Africa.

Every time you sit at a wooden table think about where it may have come from in it's original form, every time you see a gold ring, diamond, platinum, tin the list is endless and then think about the people who have possibly suffered whilst mining it for you.

If you should ever have to spend time in a hospital or care home, please tell the medical staff and care staff they are not welcome here and refuse them treating you or giving assistance.

You won't do that will you , because you have no backbone?

You only have a key board fixed to repeat, but no longer for my benefit because I don't and won't understand why you are so bitter to everyone in this world apart from yourself.

There must be a tiny glimmer of hope, but so far I can't see it.



How absolutely ridiculous, by purchasing from the third world countries, I am helping their economies and also the poor to earn some money. Not everybody abroad is slave labour you know. When I see my garden furniture, the last thing I think about is who made it and where it came from and the same goes for jewellery.

When in hospital I always thank the nurses wherever they come from (What made you think otherwise?) and I never refuse the treatment that my taxes and NI contributions have paid for. I mean to say, why should I? Crazy question.

I am not bitter about anybody in this world and it is only your vivid and distorted imagination that would make you think otherwise. I just believe as I said before, this country is full up, no gas, electricity, water , houses, school places etc so we can only take in those who we need to fill otherwise vacant jobs, we just cannot take anybody lesbians or otherwise THERE IS SIMPLY NO ROOM and internal affairs in Somalia are none of our business, as you said, leave them alone.

I assure you I have loads of backbone, more than you in fact, It would seem that you believe everything you are told by people you don't know. If you are told they are lesbians, you believe them, if they say they will be killed if they go back home, you believe them. They are only saying that because people like you have no backbone and roll over whenever faced with a difficult decision. That is the truth of the matter.

Have some common sense and think about the problems politicians have created by meddling abroad, it needs to stop now and those in need in our own country should get the money that you would spend on foreigners overseas. Blimey Moses! we need all the money we can get hold of to help our own under-privileged before we even think of foreigners - or you one yourself? Is that the reason for your bitterness?

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Originally Posted by nem12esis
Originally Posted by granny
Oh dear me, there's nothing left to say other than you are happy to benefit from all the resources that come from Africa.

Every time you sit at a wooden table think about where it may have come from in it's original form, every time you see a gold ring, diamond, platinum, tin the list is endless and then think about the people who have possibly suffered whilst mining it for you.

If you should ever have to spend time in a hospital or care home, please tell the medical staff and care staff they are not welcome here and refuse them treating you or giving assistance.

You won't do that will you , because you have no backbone?

You only have a key board fixed to repeat, but no longer for my benefit because I don't and won't understand why you are so bitter to everyone in this world apart from yourself.

There must be a tiny glimmer of hope, but so far I can't see it.



How absolutely ridiculous, by purchasing from the third world countries, I am helping their economies and also the poor to earn some money. Not everybody abroad is slave labour you know. When I see my garden furniture, the last thing I think about is who made it and where it came from and the same goes for jewellery.

When in hospital I always thank the nurses wherever they come from (What made you think otherwise?) and I never refuse the treatment that my taxes and NI contributions have paid for. I mean to say, why should I? Crazy question.

I am not bitter about anybody in this world and it is only your vivid and distorted imagination that would make you think otherwise. I just believe as I said before, this country is full up, no gas, electricity, water , houses, school places etc so we can only take in those who we need to fill otherwise vacant jobs, we just cannot take anybody lesbians or otherwise THERE IS SIMPLY NO ROOM and internal affairs in Somalia are none of our business, as you said, leave them alone.

I assure you I have loads of backbone, more than you in fact, It would seem that you believe everything you are told by people you don't know. If you are told they are lesbians, you believe them, if they say they will be killed if they go back home, you believe them. They are only saying that because people like you have no backbone and roll over whenever faced with a difficult decision. That is the truth of the matter.

Have some common sense and think about the problems politicians have created by meddling abroad, it needs to stop now and those in need in our own country should get the money that you would spend on foreigners overseas. Blimey Moses! we need all the money we can get hold of to help our own under-privileged before we even think of foreigners - or you one yourself? Is that the reason for your bitterness?


As I wrote earlier nem, we shouldn't have meddled in Europe in 1939-1945 nothing to do with us, we should have let the Nazis murder everybody they disliked, I know a lot of top ranking Tories wanted to jump into bed with them, but that's par for the course, money and power washes away any shred humanity, look after number one.

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I am afraid I cannot entirely agree with that.

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Nemesis.... have you calmed down a bit now?

No bad intentions meant towards you, it is that we all have different opinions and will never all agree about the same things.
Sometimes our emotions or beliefs are very locked in, but that's ok because we have to learn to be tolerant of each other.
We love you really, because you keep us and our adrenalin flowing, and I believe you mean well even if it doesn't always show the way it might. smile


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Originally Posted by granny
Nemesis.... have you calmed down a bit now?

No bad intentions meant towards you, it is that we all have different opinions and will never all agree about the same things.
Sometimes our emotions or beliefs are very locked in, but that's ok because we have to learn to be tolerant of each other.
We love you really, because you keep us and our adrenalin flowing, and I believe you mean well even if it doesn't always show the way it might. smile


Explaining the real facts to you never winds me up so I do not need to calm down. I just hope you realise that life is too short to stop enjoying it by flooding the country with 'do-gooders' and spending our taxes on the wrong things. I didn't start a business and make money to support lesbians or foreigners from any other country. I paid my taxes here to help our unfortunate (not those on the benefit career trail) of this country as well as to help the country's finances. Members of other countries are not on my wish list.

Take care now, I always appreciate reading your chronic and
expensive views.

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Explaining the real facts to you never winds me up so I do not need to calm down. I just hope you realise that life is too short to stop enjoying it by flooding the country with 'do-gooders' and spending our taxes on the wrong things. I didn't start a business and make money to support lesbians or foreigners from any other country. I paid my taxes here to help our unfortunate (not those on the benefit career trail) of this country as well as to help the country's finances. Members of other countries are not on my wish list.

Take care now, I always appreciate reading your chronic and
expensive views.[/quote]

So we have the same opinion then, thank god others think the same as me.

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Take care now, I always appreciate reading your chronic and
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So we have the same opinion then, thank god others think the same as me. [/quote]

Many do Sue and the opinion polls bear that out. Never be afraid to stand up for your beliefs. A lot of left wingers here may attempt to shout you down but Hey Ho! who cares about the tiny minority who disagree with you.

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