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#849885 - 13th Jan 2014 11:37am Fracking on Wirral
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What's happening with 'fracking' on Wirral' , do we know?

Cllr Davies was opposed to this, despite the fact that IGas now have a license to explore. Where will the 'Well' be ? Will Wirral Council have huge rewards for being part of it, from the Tory Government. Oh dear me !


http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/busi...entives-5397634



Council leader Cllr Phil Davies spoke of his concerns over the controversial process following an announcement by IGas earlier this month. (being Extract taken from: June 2013)

"The firm revealed it may have up to 172.3 trillion cubic feet of gas in the 300-square mile area in Cheshire it holds licences over. It follows a study of geological data from the firm’s well site in Ince Marshes, near Ellesmere Port. IGas holds licences that run across most of West Wirral as well as stretches of Cheshire and Runcorn. The company intends to begin hydraulic fracturing in the North West to extract the gas – by drilling into the ground and fracturing the shale by pumping in high-pressure liquid – by the end of the year, but has yet to reveal where.

Before that can take place though, planning permission needs to be secured from local authorities. In July 2011, Wirral council passed a resolution registering its opposition to fracking, a stance Cllr Davies said hasn’t changed since then.

He said: “Most shale gas in Wirral would be under the West Wirral part of the peninsula. The thought of companies digging up huge tracts of our green areas fills me with dread. I would be completely opposed to that.”

Maps: http://frack-off.org.uk/local-group/cheshire-and-wirral-action-on-fracking/

......and why are we not being updated? Not everybody has a computer to access information. Would like to know where they are likely to drill. One wonders what the site at Thingwall Corner really is? Did we ever truly find out about that?
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#849887 - 13th Jan 2014 12:05pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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The French wont allow it in their backyard granny, so two French companies are applying for licenses here, not on Wirral I hasten to add, our country is being sold from underneath us, I see in the latest bout of privatisation the Royal Mail are putting their prices up already, now there is a surprise, I wonder what happens when we've nothing left to sell?

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#849888 - 13th Jan 2014 12:13pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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News today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25705550

Just another reason for house insurance premiums to increase. Possibly know as 'FFF Premium Insurance'. F...ing floods and fracking! Not likely to be increasing Cameron's FFF costs.


Edited by granny (13th Jan 2014 12:19pm)
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#849893 - 13th Jan 2014 12:35pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: casper]
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Originally Posted By: casper
The French wont allow it in their backyard granny, so two French companies are applying for licenses here, not on Wirral I hasten to add, our country is being sold from underneath us, I see in the latest bout of privatisation the Royal Mail are putting their prices up already, now there is a surprise, I wonder what happens when we've nothing left to sell?


The majority Share Holder will own us Casper!

The French as we know, hold the major industry for energy. Nuclear etc. Happy to spread their muck on everyone elses territory, worldwide.
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#849902 - 13th Jan 2014 1:27pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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Our water bills may go up ( fracking uses huge amounts of water that must be transported to the fracking site, at significant environmental cost) but I suspect our gas or electricity bills won't go down (I hate to see the words should, could and may used by politicians and huge industries - it usually means won't and we are covering ourselves)



The industry suggests fracking of shale gas could contribute significantly to the UK's future energy needs. A report by the Energy and Climate Change Committee in April said shale gas in the UK may help to secure energy supplies, but may not bring down gas prices.




Will we eventually start getting huge sinkholes similar to ones caused by mining.

When all is said and done it's all about profit to be made by someone


Edited by derekdwc (13th Jan 2014 1:29pm)

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#849910 - 13th Jan 2014 2:42pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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You might find it interesting to know that in some Lancashire sites, fracking has been going on since 1993:

http://www.cuadrillaresources.com/our-sites/elswick/

No earthquakes, no exploding water from taps, no death and destruction. Don't you love our one sided media!

Quote:
“Most shale gas in Wirral would be under the West Wirral part of the peninsula. The thought of companies digging up huge tracts of our green areas fills me with dread. I would be completely opposed to that.”


I wonder if he's actually been to a fracking site to see how it looks? Its only an hour or so away.

The one in my link is also a sandstone frack site and this bit says it best "with many people in the area unaware of its existence.".

I bet if the protesters with their half truths and unwillingness to look at the project objectively would soon be on that site if they knew about it!

Incidentally, where are the protesters for these recent earthquakes and sink holes caused by mining and not fracking?

New Ollerton hit by 20 small earthquakes in four weeks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-25679241

Peak District sinkhole appears in Foolow, Derbyshire

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-25559718

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#849913 - 13th Jan 2014 2:51pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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About time they started fracking, the country needs a wake up call even if it's just earthquakes, from memory aren't the power companies owned by the French left wing government, don't know why our water bills will go up as this area still gets it's water from Wales and they still use settling tanks even if the water is pumped from local wells, believe the BBC and see pigs fly..

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#849945 - 13th Jan 2014 5:34pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: davew3]
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Originally Posted By: davew3
About time they started fracking, the country needs a wake up call even if it's just earthquakes, from memory aren't the power companies owned by the French left wing government, don't know why our water bills will go up as this area still gets it's water from Wales and they still use settling tanks even if the water is pumped from local wells, believe the BBC and see pigs fly..


Maybe they will go up even more. Once one company falls to foreign ownership, the roller coaster has begun.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/...consortium.html
Plus, I don't believe any British Government has the power to stop these giants, they are far too powerful and are the big fat controllers. which we all know. So why the sentiment to them.
Yes, we need energy, yes we need new energy but let us not forget the disasters which have happened and we could reverse the testimonies of the reports on sink holes and earthquakes being due to mining, and say we don't believe it.
Nothing can take away Chernoble, Fukushima, Piper Alpha, Three mile Island, and ironically, France has a pretty long list of
Nuclear power accidents in France listed in link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_power_accidents_by_country




Taking this into account nothing is safe, and until we know that fracking is safe then we should not be kept in the dark and both sides of the coin should be explained, so that people fully understand. Also companies should have to take their responsibilities for any mis-adventures caused. e.g the Seascale episode of leukaemia in children, being caused by radiation leakage. One of those things that were denied and shoved under the carpet for years and years. Many of you won't remember these incidents as you probably weren't born then.

I hope there isn't any fracking in Neston/Burton area, being based on a coalmine, and houses on top of, could be a disaster waiting to happen.
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#849977 - 13th Jan 2014 6:58pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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My sentiments exactly granny, its too late when they have sucked the life out of the place and left their mess to be cleared up by someone else, whilst they slope off back to France, There is no fear of any drilling or disruption being anywhere near the homes of those down sarf that allegedly represent us, all Cameron can see is pound signs, there will be no benefits for the vast majority of people in this country, remember the cheap north sea gas fiasco cheap everlasting energy liar

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#849994 - 13th Jan 2014 7:46pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: casper]
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Originally Posted By: casper
My sentiments exactly granny, its too late when they have sucked the life out of the place and left their mess to be cleared up by someone else, whilst they slope off back to France, There is no fear of any drilling or disruption being anywhere near the homes of those down sarf that allegedly represent us, all Cameron can see is pound signs, there will be no benefits for the vast majority of people in this country, remember the cheap north sea gas fiasco cheap everlasting energy liar


Even before that, when Calder Hall/Windscale/Sellafield (Name change after every "incident") nuclear station came on line..... "Electricity will be so cheap as not to be worth metering". Oh really? I'm either still wet behind the ears, or I came in on the last Banana boat !

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#850053 - 13th Jan 2014 9:35pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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how long before you all bring back the man with the red flag walking in front of motor cars.
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#850064 - 13th Jan 2014 9:46pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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Oh - so if Cllr. Davies is opposed to it, then I suppose that's it then, no further discussion needed.

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#850135 - 13th Jan 2014 10:33pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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Bribery! Pure and simple

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#850158 - 13th Jan 2014 11:15pm Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: granny]
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Is there any guarantee that the gas will be used only in the UK or could it be exported over to Europe by the fracking companies if there is a demand for it there.

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#850209 - 14th Jan 2014 10:06am Re: Fracking on Wirral [Re: derekdwc]
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Cost of bills being reduced:

according to a Quadrillo big boy on Channel 4 News last night, the answer to that is 'no'.
I think his words were, there is a very slight possibility, but highly unlikely.

Has anyone said the number years we would benefit from it? There was mention of twenty years, which is no time at all.

Don't know about export yet do we? wink


Edited by granny (14th Jan 2014 10:13am)
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