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#842531 - 9th Dec 2013 7:06pm Bidston New Road
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Came across these and wondered where it could be.
Possibly The Bidston Hotel, Hoylake Road,(have it down as Corporation Road on an 1890s map may have been Bidston New Road at an earlier date)
or
The Ring o' Bells Bidston Village possibly after it closed and may have re-opened for a short time as the Telegraph


Corf Richard, victualler, Telegraph Inn, Bidston New road
1861 mawdsley

and

Telegraph Hotel Telegraph View Bidston
1877 Thomas Maddocks

Can anyone look up the licencees for me please

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#842567 - 9th Dec 2013 7:58pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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This is Richard Corf 1861 census,

what was "Eggs and Bacon", Pub?


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#842601 - 9th Dec 2013 9:07pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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Both the pubs I've mentioned have claimed to be known locally as "Ham and Eggs"

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#842663 - 10th Dec 2013 11:32am Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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bert
the 2 pubs I meant were the Bidston and Ring o bells
Are there more names and addresses on that 1861 census sheet?
How many houses/buildings/farms that may give me a clue to where Bidston New Road was?
It looks like it was at number 1
The Bidston Hotel was once called The Bidston Hill View Hotel
Just wondering when the Telegraph Poles went from Bidston Hill

Bidston Hotel 1890s


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#842670 - 10th Dec 2013 12:10pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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Derek,

The enumerator, 1861, covered 10 properties on Bidston New Rd, 1 on Tollimache Rd, looks like the whole of the Dock Cottages and a few on Flaybrick Hill. On census forms, not many pubs are named, especially if they have a road or street number. Normally the only clue is occupation, Victualler or landlord.
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#842671 - 10th Dec 2013 12:24pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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Here's an extract from the book "The Wirral" by Alan Brack.


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#842675 - 10th Dec 2013 12:34pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: chriskay]
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To add,

1881, a few properties enumerated in this order, in the area of what was the Ring o Bells,

Bidston Railway Station,
The Old School
3 properties described as , Lane leading to station.
Formerly, Ring o Bells, occupied by a farmer of 24 acres and employed 3 labourers.
The Church Farm.
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#842677 - 10th Dec 2013 12:58pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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I think that rules out the Ring o Bells as being the Telegraph Inn/Hotel.
Maybe a lookup in the 1881 census may help for
1877 Thomas Maddocks
or
1882 Joseph Glazebrook of Bidston Hill View Hotel

the Telegraph Inn/Hotel may have been a different Pub

chriskay could you pm me as I can't pm for some reason (I want to ask about your camera)

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#842678 - 10th Dec 2013 1:04pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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Originally Posted By: derekdwc


chriskay could you pm me as I can't pm for some reason (I want to ask about your camera)


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#842682 - 10th Dec 2013 1:45pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: bert1]
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Originally Posted By: bert1
This is Richard Corf 1861 census,

what was "Eggs and Bacon", pub?


I came across the name Eggs and Bacon in an account of the trial of the alleged murderers of one James Dunn at the Dock Cottages in October 1857. Dunn had been drinking at the New Dock Hotel, but shortly after he left a fight broke out in one of the passages between the blocks and he ended up stabbed to death. His alleged assailants were said to have been drinking at the Eggs and Bacon, which is described as a public house a short distance to the west of the Dock Cottages. Looking at the 1858 map of the area, the only other buildings that existed then formed a small block at the corner of Hoylake Road (named on the map as Corporation Road) and what was to become Gautby Road. This suggests that the Eggs and Bacon was actually an early name for what became the Bidston Hotel. Judging from the 1861 Directory it looks as if it's official name was the Telegraph, so it may well have been a nickname, or an earlier name that continued in use after the name had been formally changed.

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#842683 - 10th Dec 2013 2:00pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: marty99fred]
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1881 census,

Joseph Glazebrook, Publican.
Bidston Hill Hotel,
Bidston Rd,

by 1891 Joseph had gone to the Swan Hotel.
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#842691 - 10th Dec 2013 2:56pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: bert1]
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1871,

William Bennett, Innkeeper,
Telegraph Hotel
Bidston Rd,

Enumerated amongst, Telegraph Cottages


Edited by bert1 (10th Dec 2013 2:56pm)
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#843139 - 12th Dec 2013 11:13am Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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marty99fredPlease could you post that bit of the 1858 map and if it shows Challis Street and building on the corner of it.
re Gautby road end of block it looks like all the cottages have been knocked down at one time and houses with fairly large front gardens built except for right on the corner of Gautby Road (just wondering what had been there)Thanks to all the replies it looks like the Telegraph became the Bidston Hotel


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#843391 - 13th Dec 2013 2:04pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: derekdwc]
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Sorry Derek, got a mite confused in my earlier post! The block of buildings on the Mills & Fletcher 1858 map (below) is the one on the corner of Challis Street which includes the Bidston Hotel; the line of the south end of Gautby Road can be seen further west along the main road and there are no buildings shown on its corners. Your first photo matches the 1858 map exactly, even down to the cottage beyond the main buildings which is marked by the 'R' of 'Corporation' on the map.


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#843676 - 14th Dec 2013 5:16pm Re: Bidston New Road [Re: marty99fred]
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Anyone got a copy of Up Our Lobby? These pubs will probably be mentioned in there.

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