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#835166 - 4th Nov 2013 3:09pm Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute
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Merseyside firefighters walk out in pensions dispute.

FIREFIGHTERS across Merseyside have staged two further walkouts as part of an ongoing dispute over pay and pensions.

A five-hour strike by members of the Fire Brigades Union on Friday night was followed by a two-hour walkout this morning.

The action was in response to government plans to make firefighters work up to 60.

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#835577 - 7th Nov 2013 5:09pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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privatisation is knocking at the door , the same door that if you have no insurance then you aren't being saved , who will pay for that private fire service then .how much do you reckon it will cost to put a fire out and rescue someone when there is a profit to be made , I hope you ( 19frank40 )are ok with paying for a fat cat fire service that wants to make a profit out of your misery .the government have sold out the fire service /police force /the ambulance and health service .
those things you take for granted now wont be around if no-one stands up to this corrupt government .

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#835589 - 7th Nov 2013 5:39pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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How quickly people forget when Labour attacked the fire services and Prescott wasted around £10billion on those fire control centres that were never used, always wondered why they renamed the fire stations,"Community fire station" all that money wasted on signage that Labour could have used pay for something to do with the Fire Service.

Never heard a whisper from the Firemen when Brown took £10billion a year out of private pensions for 10 years, pensions come out of a current account and not a savings account, a prudent Chancellor would have sorted that bit out, but Brown saved the world so we must happy with that.

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#835709 - 8th Nov 2013 9:42am Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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I would like to see some of you lot handling heavy ladders and fire hoses under pressure at 60 years of age, its a joke expecting them to do that. Very few office jobs so they cant all go there. This country is governed by clowns.

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#835711 - 8th Nov 2013 9:52am Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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some facts .....for the miss guided
1/ scumbag champagne socialist prescot and sadiq kahn are now costing the taxpayer 20 k a month times all the regional centres in a mass waste on PFIS on fire controls....we'll be paying for years for these white elephants.
2/a fireman after five years gets under a hundred pound a shift, youd pay more for a plumber or painter
3/ yes they can retire at 55 after 30 years in the job they've paid 300 a month for the "right" to, private sector workers pay just 5/6% of their salary
4/in 2006 scumbag labour asked them to sign for the new rip off pension or the good old one....saying its all sorted, NOW its you pay more, get less and work longer just cause we say.....its got to be fought against NOW otherwise the next scumbags will move the goal posts again to rape the pot AGAIN !!!
5/the average salary of CFO in uk brigades has massively risen/while no pay rise for FFS, up to a ridiculous 150/200k a year !!! do they really need that?? are they worth that?
6/research what ASSET CO did in London LFB with their private company raping of a public service.....do you want more of that?
7/do we really want G4S running the fire service with even lower min staffing on less pay with contracted equipment and trucks and if youre in a flood or RTA a half hr wait for enough staff to cut you out a car or to be able to safely lift a 100 kg ladder to recue you???....
8/ firefighters deaths at jobs have risen 500 % in the last ten years? wonder why?
9/FFS have had their pay frozen for years
10/is a FF on 6 pound an hour gonna risk his neck for you when his CEO boss gets a million a year?
10/in 2015 many FFS will be taking miss selling of pension contracts to court, why not?
their pension statement says "you get X" but now its "you get y"
not acceptable if a bank gives it you...so why the government then?
PENSIONS ARE GETTING RAPED TO PAY THE BANKS BILL,FFS RESCUE PEOPLE NOT BANKS...

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#835729 - 8th Nov 2013 10:55am Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: ]
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[quote=19FRANK40]I cannot see any privatisation 'knocking at the door'. You seem to have a vivid left wing imagination. [/quot
Sorry mate its all ready been tried and failed, look at asset co getting LFB into the madness situation of bailiffs coming to take fire trucks to pay bills because off shore speculators haven't made enough share profit that month.
I tell you now G4S SERCO Capita parasites would LOVE to run the fire services.
Its actually been tried by this scum gov already but it got stopped by the FBU and highlighted to ministers.
Get on your computer and research brian coleman and how he tried to bum over LFB and yet ended up arrested.. KARMA
People don't understand the jobs been broke down to just 4 bods on a truck and the actual practicalities at an incident for work over load for the officer in charge and the million and one jobs to do driver is simply DANGEROUS !
But in years to come when public die and business burns to the ground thro lack of speedy /quality attendance I HOPE THEY GET SUED
it wont bring loved ones back....
I mean scumbag Cameron had the nerve to shake FFS hands after London riots yet wants to rob their pensions.
In a recent midlands yard fire there was just ONE truck left covering 2 million homes.......I bet hes proud.

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#835747 - 8th Nov 2013 12:05pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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Amazing article here about the fire service in Belfast:

The Stormont watchdog discovered that a brand new £6,000 ride-on lawnmower disappeared from Fire Service premises and has never been located.

Woodchip panels bought by the Service also went missing and the former Chief Fire Officer Peter Craig defied his bossís orders by refusing to return a Land Rover loaned by a major car dealership to the service.

Now the Service has issued a statement to scotch rumours that a luxury sauna had been partly dismantled and removed from a Fire Service property so it could be installed in an officerís house.



http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/l...a-29723570.html

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#835798 - 8th Nov 2013 6:47pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40
Originally Posted By: Santos
I would like to see some of you lot handling heavy ladders and fire hoses under pressure at 60 years of age, its a joke expecting them to do that. Very few office jobs so they cant all go there. This country is governed by clowns.


I said NOT FRONT LINE WORK but office work. read and learn friend.


Its you that should read and learn wassock, I said " Very few office jobs so they cant all go there." and the reference to them working at 60 was aimed at the government.



Edited by Santos (8th Nov 2013 6:48pm)

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#835908 - 9th Nov 2013 1:23pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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Dear Frank if its just down to simple sums that balance out perfectly, life aint like that , mps wouldnt get all their pensions after five mins and 65 k a year.
It wasnt a rant its based on ff knowledge of 20 years via friends
Was it ff s who robbed us blind ? Was it ffs who caused the crash ? No
Conservative s have always been for the rich and raping the worker to pay for it
If you ring the police youll get questions about them bothering to investigate your issue. If you get robbed or burgled you get a crime number. If you ring the fire service theyll be there hell for leather !!! A ff costs 29 k a year a copper gets 40 k a year after ten years. Ff has no increase. Fact.

Does a plumber risk his life at his job??? No
These cuts risk public and ff lives. Consider that in your sums.
Youre probably one of those public who think its still pool tables cooks beds early nights.
It aint.
Look at how over paid pensions of fire chiefs are bloated while doing early retirement career breaks to perverse ly recieve more pay and higher pensions on being re hired. Case in point graham stagg gloucs cfo

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#835938 - 9th Nov 2013 2:43pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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Funny thing is ff s where asked during the recent vote whether theyd pull out the old pension if needed ( which they can) it would only take 10% or more to actually collapse and cause the gov to have to fund it. They have the power the workers. Not scum cameron.
Fat toad prescott wasted half a billion on pfi fire controls that don't work at all they've been forced to make them work.
That would sort the pension frank? How about that ? Half a billion
Scum gov continue to make mistakes with the cash cow tax payer fund. But now bleet " fire service costs us too much " boll ;cks..... frank bolloc***ks


Edited by svenlock68 (9th Nov 2013 2:45pm)

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#836018 - 9th Nov 2013 6:30pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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Maybe start a new thread? This is about Merseyside firefighters on strike!
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#836059 - 9th Nov 2013 10:06pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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Im not shouting. Ha
I re enforce my point thats all
Theres alot of myths
Youre on the same old vein of public vs private pensions distraction
Everyone should get better not worse. Why do you think everyone's on strike ??
Half the gdp is the welfare state. True. Majority is pensions not dole
But how long do you allow people in general to get raped of everything theyve earned
The other half of uk gdp is banking. Ring any bells ?
That will always be protected. Look at the american dream video by george carlin. Hes talking the usa but its dead on for uk right now

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#836065 - 9th Nov 2013 10:42pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: svenlock68]
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Originally Posted By: svenlock68

Everyone should get better not worse.


Nice idea, but everything's got to be earned.
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#836066 - 9th Nov 2013 11:10pm Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 19FRANK40

Do you know how many plumbers and other skilled workers are killed each year on construction sites throughout the world?


as a percentage of the total working in the world i'd imagine a very very small amount.

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#836093 - 10th Nov 2013 10:02am Re: Merseyside firefighters walk out in dispute [Re: Mark]
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Chris kay
Apply that utopian theory to politicians the tax man big business banking etc etc
Everything has become more polarised and your gov loves to distract you with media and reasons "why " its ok for them to rape you of your assets
The public are so dumbed down now obsessed with buying stuff and following controlled media
Exactly why so many media puppet papers are feeding the myth of dole and foreign workers are the answer to all our ills
Its not. Its the scum gov and banks.
Watch " inside job " good film. Informative

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