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I think you're getting your quotes mixed up, Frank: it was casper I quoted, not you.

No body is knocking you for what you have achieved Frank, but its not quite as simple as you make out to be self employed, you set up your own business, but I suspect it wasn't recently nor in the so called times of austerity, times are harder things are that much more difficult money is tight, yet you still show no signs of sympathy for those less fortunate, unemployed they may be, but the majority are those that have fell foul of Camerons law, with very little in the way of redundancy monies and no access to benefits until that money has gone, after all wasn't the benefit system set up to protect people that became unemployed in the short term? as you yourself have quoted in the past, but now they are the enemy of the state the scrounger the ner'do'well, the governments policies has made them unemployed and now blames them for their plight.


I think you might be wiser to criticise those that steal off the state, the tax evaders with their offshore accounts who bleat that what they do is legal, but sit in judgement on the unemployed ,the sick and disabled, and then accept a Knighthood, they are the true scroungers, the much wants more for nothing.

We are all in this together, well that says it all, Do you honestly believe that Frank? surely your not that gullible, income tax evaders, expense thieves, subsidised meals and drinky poos, rents and utility bills paid, award yourself a pay rise, insider trading, directorships, just to name a few, and yes Frank that applies to all parties, but it was the Tories that had the gall to say that, a slap in the face for any right minded person.

What do you think Frank? they are still playing the violin about how poorly treated they are, does this sound like we are all in it together? shouldn't they have led by example? tightened their belts for the good of our country, but no, in this allegedly classless society we still revert to the have and the have nots, those that would push you aside to get to the front of the queue, the don't you know who I am brigade that believe they have more entitlement than anyone else.

What Cameron should have said you are all in this together, and that Frank is the cesspool.

Agreed Frank, we ALL have to make sacrifices and that includes our unelected government, perhaps you can give me a few pointers on what sacrifice's they have made, maybe its only an 11% pay rise instead of 25% or maybe they wont claim for a Mars bar on expenses or a flat screen TV in each room, a new duck house maybe you being a business man perhaps you can enlighten me, I know times are hard maybe Dave can hold a few dinner parties in number 10 & £500 a head.

Change the record casper. No government is ever "elected"; the electorate (well, as many of them as choose to vote) choose individual members of parliament. One member, usually the leader of the party with most members, is asked by the monarch to form a government. If that party has a majority over all other parties combined, there's no problem: if not, that party leader attempts to form a coalition with some other members. That's what happened after the last election. AT NO STAGE IS A GOVERNMENT ELECTED. The description "unelected" applies to all governments and is therefore an empty phrase.

Oh dear chris better tell Frank, because he keeps telling me, that without doubt and without any question that we do have an elected government

You tell him, caspar
I've actually only recently worked it out myself; I can't find a flaw in the argument, can you?

Strange our democracy isn't it,

We have an unelected Monarch (Unelected by the people) asking a unelected leader of a party (Unelected by the people) to form a government.

In answer to Franks Question "You cannot take office if you have not been elected can you"

It is actually possible as far as forming a government is concerned.
If at the next general election, David Cameron is still the Tory leader and loses his seat, if the Tory party wish him to remain as leader and they win enough seats to form a government, the Queen can ask him to form a government as leader of that party.

'somebody' got me there.

Never say never, especially when political parties are involved.

Frank fudging it again?

Oh nooooooooooooooo. Gonna get more Last Word Ramblings now....... ETA 8am-9am!!! I don't read them anymore- no space in my head!!!!!

One thing I do know- disabled people who make up two thirds of those affected by BEDROOM TAX ARE AfFFECTD!!!

Are you reading about those people who have successfully appealed the Decision Frank- with regard to your false claims)?? Those who have rightfully appealed and won.....costing Local Gov't £2grand per case heard???

Bedroom Tax is costing way way more than the implicated savings.

Typical Tory response Frank, anything that's not conservative is left wing, you are very adept at sticking labels on everything and everyone, unemployed scroungers, communists, lefties all because some people have a social conscience.

Have you ever thought that maybe some people have had more in their life experiences than you Frank, seen more poverty, been on both sides of the spectrum, I am not a religious person but some of the parables catch the imagination, such as the good Samaritan you should take a leaf out of his book, everybody needs a hand sometime in their lives Frank, lets hope nobody ever passes you by, when you need one.

I think Frank will always think he is right/more hard done to/ more hardworking/ more anything, its a waste of time, he will always be right, more to be pitied than argued with,

Again you presume to know me Frank, by the way thank you for the compliment of young man, as to putting labels on people was it not you that labelled me as an unemployed leftie, as to seeing more of life than I ever will, well that's debatable, but I will respond to you with your words, you haven't a clue about me of who I am, that's because your blinkered with your own beliefs.