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Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 #829340
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Hi all. Im after some info. I have recently found something whilst metal detecting at my horse yard.

I think I will just start with the pictures.

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It is a winners medal type thing. The writing on it is as follows,

Presented to
J Bethell
member of the
winning lifeboat crew
R.M.S
Berengaria

It is also dated 14 Sep 1931, and has hallmarks (possibly silver).

The front reads, The Cunard Steamship Company Limited.

I have tried to do abit of research, and found out it could possibly be a John Bethell. If alive now he would be 101. After this I've hit a wall.

What I want to do is find out who this belonged to, and get in contact with either him (if still alive) or a relation.

I would be grateful for any help. Thanks all.

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Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: x_plore] #829350
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The 'Berengaria' was orinally a German owned liner,taken as reparations after the First World War,possibly as a replacement for 'Lusitania'.

Bob.

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Hi explore , very interesting find you have there . My married name is Bethell, not a very common name really , my brother in-law has been doing family tree , will ask him if there is a mention of a 'john' in a seamen role .

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: 8HBob] #829375
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Originally Posted by 8HBob
The 'Berengaria' was orinally a German owned liner,taken as reparations after the First World War,possibly as a replacement for 'Lusitania'.

Bob.


Full History and photograph on this link: http://www.chriscunard.com/berengaria.php

Interestingly, the article mentions that the ship ran aground on more than one occasion in the early 1930's. Wonder if the medal had anything to do with that?

If you're on facebook, you could possibly try contacting Chris Cunard and ask if he has any information concerning the ship's crew... https://www.facebook.com/chriscunard. Failing that, there's bound to be an archive for Cunard you could investigate.

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: x_plore] #829398
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That's a very interesting find. I'm curious whether you found anything else of interest? Do you 'detect' anywhere else other than your yard? I've always fancied doing a bit of metal detecting, but I've never had the equipment or the cash to purchase any. What equipment are you using? Did it cost much?

From the local History books I've been reading of late, there are some great sites (no doubt saturated by metal detector folk!) on the Wirral.

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Thanks for the info everyone.

Thanks Bob.

Missy, did you manage to ask your brother in law?

YinYang, i'm not on Facebook, so will investigate an archive for Cunard.

Clayman22, I havn't found anything else of interest yet, apart from a really big horse shoe! I'm fairly new to metal detecting, and was using a Minelab musketeer, but that's a more advanced detector, so went and bought a Garrett ace 250 and it's great! I would recommend this to any new comer to the hobby.

No, I havn't been else where apart from my horse yard. Metal detecting is not permitted on the Wirral or any of its foreshores, unless you are on private land with land owners permission, which is a real shame I think, but others would disagree.

I am using a Garrett ace 250 at the minute, I got it on Wednesday and I love it! Got it for 189.95 with free postage, and 2 years warranty off Ebay.

You should try and get one, I wouldn't mind some company whilst detecting, and someone to compare finds with. Maybe you could get one, and we could seek permission on those places you mentioned.

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: x_plore] #829518
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Sorry not yet, he has gone away for the week-end ,but i will do..

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: x_plore] #829524
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Originally Posted by x_plore
...I wouldn't mind some company whilst detecting, and someone to compare finds with. Maybe you could get one, and we could seek permission on those places you mentioned.


You could always join a local metal detecting club.

The West Kirby one holds its meetings in Wallasey...

http://westkirbymdc.co.uk/

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: x_plore] #829528
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Ok missy.

Thanks YinYang, I will look into that smile

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: YinYang] #829530
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Originally Posted by YinYang
Originally Posted by x_plore
...I wouldn't mind some company whilst detecting, and someone to compare finds with. Maybe you could get one, and we could seek permission on those places you mentioned.


You could always join a local metal detecting club.

The West Kirby one holds its meetings in Wallasey...

http://westkirbymdc.co.uk/




Looks like I have just missed out on one of their monthly meets, as it was yesterday! Oh well I will just pop along to the next one I think.

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Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: x_plore] #829909
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Hi
I think I might have an answer to this, it sounds like my Great Uncle Larry. He was born in Hoylake in 1899 and died in the mid 1960's. He was a merchant seaman. You might wonder how Larry relates to J. Bethell and the answer lies in his full name - John Laurence Bethell; for some reason he didn't like John so used his middle name.
Seafaring ran right through the family, his ancestor Robert Bethell set up one of the first lifeboat stations in Towyn, North Wales.
Most of the family lived in the Hoylake/Meols area and were fishermen up until Larry's generation.
Larry, you may have noticed, did not live to a ripe old age. He was quite badly injured in WW2. As I recall he was on a ship that was torpedoed. He eventually had to abandon ship and go into the water which was full of fuel spilling from the ships tanks. My grandfather said that he was never quite the same afterwards and some blame was apportioned to the toxicity of the fuel in the water.
I hope that helps
Tim Bethell

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Fascinating. Any idea if he actually served on the Berengaria in the early 1930's?

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: YinYang] #829924
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I'm not sure at all to be honest. We don't have anyone left within the family from that generation.

Re: Info request. Lifeboat crew of the Berengaria 1931 [Re: Bethell] #829925
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Originally Posted by Bethell
...his ancestor Robert Bethell set up one of the first lifeboat stations in Towyn, North Wales.
Most of the family lived in the Hoylake/Meols area and were fishermen up until Larry's generation.


Bethell or Bithell? (...lots of Bithells in North Wales)

Sounds like an interesting family History all the same. happy

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Can't find any evidence John Lawrence Bethell sailed on the Berengaria, he did sail aboard the Samaria 1943 and Media 1948, both Cunard ships, he was a light trimmer.


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