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Assault Irby Village #827784
26th Sep 2013 6:47pm
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My 24 year old son has some sleeping problems (got his degree,out of work, feeling hopeless so I was up till 1 am trying to allay his concerns) at 5 AM in the morning he decided to go for a short walk to watch the sun come up.So with Van Morrison in his headphones and a travel mug full of coffee he sets off. 400 yards down the road a vehicle stops and the occupants started asking some personal questions- suddenly one of the occupants gets out the vehicle and grabs my son, pushes his arm up his back and body slams him in to the side of the vehicle before rifling through his pockets and taking his phone. The guy who did this was in his early 50s and he and his accomplices, one male one, female were dressed in police uniforms and were driving a yellow van with Police written on it. And all because he asked if he was obliged to answer their questions.They dont do themselves any favours.Seems these days knowing and exercising your rights is not liked by Mr Plod Feedback left on the Merseyside police website. The copper spent 10 minutes going through all my lads text messages and photos.They must have been bored.

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Have you made an official complaint about this to a police station ? Make sure you fill out the appropriate paperwork. DON'T be fobbed off! They are in the minority, but thugs in uniform bring the whole police force into disrepute. mad

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The Police need to know that you intend to complain, at the end of the day someone fitting your sons description could have been mentioned in a recent incident and they were just doing their jobs, but you have to complain.

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Disgraceful. Obviously transferring his frustrations of still being just a regular copper in his 50s.

Deffo complain.


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If a peppa talks to me I'm always the nicest man in the world.learnt a lesson in my teens,42 now.peppa don't like you to questio his authority!

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That is disgusting...... complain, write to the chief constable, police commissioner and your local councillor. These thugs were obviously bored, ready to go off shift, once a copper, never a man....... with a very nasty streak running through them


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Two sides to every story, by law a individual is obliged to identify themselves only to a police officer or judge, if upon inquiring as to his personal details the subject instantly become a streetside lawyer and starts being funny with a officer things can quickly escalate on both sides to exactly what you have described, a subject refuses to identify themselves, a officer only doing their job presses the point of you are legally obliged to provide the information, the person retorts more forcefully they do not wish to disclose that info. So on and so forth until the point the person has actually by technicality committed a offence and the officer takes action, the only question is wether the action is disproportionate or not but all easily avoidable, nothing to hide why not just answer? Nothing to gain from trying to take on a officer on a hyped up version of "how dare you ask me anything" because rightly or wrongly they are the ones with the "powers" and will ultimately get the info anyway.

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I agree with you Dodgy Bob. Not saying Bobbies are perfect, but I cant see why people dont just answer the required questions --it just avoids any possible confrontation and frees the police up to get on with something else.

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The lad was doing nothing wrong- he was stressed out and took himself off for a walk
Assaulted he was, in my view.

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Yes Rude, but you have to consider that if someone is wandering round in a stressed state at 5 in the morning, thats notable, so Id expect and want the police to query what he might be up to .
Not saying they should have got rough though just because he decided to challenge their right to know what he was doing, that part is out of order.
You're up late arent you , cant you sleep?

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Query what he was up to and query his mental state are two differant things.

To pin the lads arm behind his back suggests it wasnt the latter.

Why am I up late? none of your business- but as you asked nicely - i'm in first stage labour with my 8th child. wink


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I'm going for a walk!

If he only enquired as to whether or not he was obliged to answer their questions, then my thoughts are ,they were out of order.
What or where is it that says we are not able to go for a walk at a particular time of day or night. I'm sorry to disagree with those who think that the lad was in the wrong, but why was he being persude? He was going for a walk for goodness sake.Doesn't matter what time. Would the same be acceptable if it was 3pm in the afternoon, or someone walking home from the Pub or a night out at 2am.
Definitely wrong and it should be reported to Police Complaints Dept. if they still have one!
Why didn't they give im a ticket for an offence e.g. not answering their questions? Maybe they would have had to identify themselves!


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Forgot to say Fish....I am very sorry for your son, it would be a pretty nasty experience for him at any time, but most of all now.


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Re: Assault Irby Village [Re: fish5133] #827910
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I was totally with everyone until I got to RUDEBOX's comment....8 kids woman!! Are you crazy?? I have 3 who drive me to the brink of insanity (aged 19, 17 & 3!!!) hope your labour is progressing well and you have an update for us soon xxx

Fish5133 I hope your son is ok & finds work soon xx

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cathie it was sarcasm.

i take it none of you lot have had any run ins with the police?

well you do as they ask and co-operate or you get the crappy end of the stick, you be fair with them and they will be fair with you.
Do not have the "i know my rights" attitude as they will just take you for being cocky and cause you grief.

Sorry about that happening to your son fish but it happens to everyone i'm afraid and there is no way it is worth complaining, it will go on deaf ears.

peace man.

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