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chriskay #821557 3rd Sep 2013 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by chriskay
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From what I hear and read, the CSA hasn't got a clue and issues some crazy demands. Needs a complete re-think, as you say.


I don't think it's the fault of the CSA that modern day society sees more and more individuals having children by multiple partners. You'd expect financial arrangements in such cases to be fairly complex to say the least. More often than not the problems and wrangles that seem to come out of cases where people are being pursued for maintenance stem largely from the hostilities that exist between ex partners. It seems to be more about not wanting to pay money to an ex, rather than paying for the upkeep of a child.

If the CSA issue a detachment order to take monies from somebody's wages it's usually because the person has either refused to respond to correspondence asking for income details, or the individual has downright refused to pay the maintenance that's been assessed. If the level of deduction seems unreasonably high, it's probably because the CSA or benefit agencies have not been supplied with the correct income information.



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but their calculations still don't take into account the cost of living.the amount my kids mother would be entitled to differs to that which I would be entitled to should they live with me,just another example of how out of touch our laws/government are.the csa has never worked and judging by the people I spoke to on the phonenever will!yet another mis functioning government agency,who'd of thunk?

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If you begat children then it behoves you to look after them financially as well as lovingly. If you don't want to pay for them then don't have any.

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Originally Posted by eddie64
just got a letter off csa informing me i have to pay 340.00 pound a month for my two kids,argued that i couldnt afford that much so they droped it to 240.00 a month,i have never not provided for my kids since i have been back in work i have bought them anything they needed i have them at weekends and any time i can.so please tell me why my ex wife who has got her own business fiddles the books earns in a fortnight what i can only hope to earn in a month can get away with it,and yet can get full rent paid,full council tax paid,working tax credit and child tax credit.yet they dont take into acount my council tax my rent and other living costs.this system stinks and needs a rethink.


dont pay it.

kids probably dont get to see it anyway.


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nem12esis #844910 21st Dec 2013 9:09am
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Originally Posted by nem12esis
If you begat children then it behoves you to look after them financially as well as lovingly. If you don't want to pay for them then don't have any.


who are you to chat bubbles like that to him?

you dont know him or his circumstances so keep your opinions to yourself.


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_Ste_ #844915 21st Dec 2013 9:33am
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If you begat children then it behoves you to look after them financially as well as lovingly. If you don't want to pay for them then don't have any.


who are you to chat bubbles like that to him?

you dont know him or his circumstances so keep your opinions to yourself.

Well said Ste.

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just got a letter off csa informing me i have to pay 340.00 pound a month for my two kids,argued that i couldnt afford that much so they droped it to 240.00 a month,i have never not provided for my kids since i have been back in work i have bought them anything they needed i have them at weekends and any time i can.so please tell me why my ex wife who has got her own business fiddles the books earns in a fortnight what i can only hope to earn in a month can get away with it,and yet can get full rent paid,full council tax paid,working tax credit and child tax credit.yet they dont take into acount my council tax my rent and other living costs.this system stinks and needs a rethink.


dont pay it.

kids probably dont get to see it anyway.


Are you familiar with the circumstances enough to entitle you make this statement or is it only others who are not entitled to an opinion?

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The break up with my wife was, to say the least, not exactly amicable, and at that time the CSA didn't exist.
After years of trips to various courts I eventually saw my daughter every weekend, usually from Friday after school to Sunday evening or Monday morning when I would drop her off at school.
Anything I bought her for mine I bought the same for her to take home so she didn't have all the "good stuff" at dads.
I avoided my ex as much as possible but as soon as the CSA were formed they were turned on me like a pack of rabid dogs, and with about as much intelligence.
They spent years trying to make me pay for a child she'd had years after we divorced (obviously not mine) their logic being that as the child had been given my surname she must be mine. This continued even after my ex-wife remarried and her new husband adopted the child.
I have always taken care of my daughter to the best of my ability, and yes despite problems with my ex I have even, on occasion, looked after her other children when the situation called for it.
It's a fathers job to look after, provide for and protect their children, that's it, that's all there is.

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Unfortunately it's guys like you that are involved and pay their way that are an easy target for csa whereas the very folk it was set up to find manage to escape their responsibilities again and again

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Originally Posted by Dilly
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If you begat children then it behoves you to look after them financially as well as lovingly. If you don't want to pay for them then don't have any.


who are you to chat bubbles like that to him?

you dont know him or his circumstances so keep your opinions to yourself.

Well said Ste.


You let him speak for himself, I mean, who are you to attempt to stifle free speech???????

I understood that this was a forum for the opinions of members, so why do I have (in your silly opinion) to keep my opinions to myself? Have I misunderstood, is it only for those who don't want to pay their dues or for their representatives to shout down any who tend to disagree??

I stand by my statement - or do you believe that I and other taxpayers should not only pay for our own families or those of others as well? If you are not prepared to have children then do not have any - simple.

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Fair comment, nem12esis. We are all entitled to express our opinions. I don't often agree with you but on this, I do.


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Originally Posted by nem12esis

You let him speak for himself, I mean, who are you to attempt to stifle free speech???????

I understood that this was a forum for the opinions of members, so why do I have (in your silly opinion) to keep my opinions to myself? Have I misunderstood, is it only for those who don't want to pay their dues or for their representatives to shout down any who tend to disagree??

I stand by my statement - or do you believe that I and other taxpayers should not only pay for our own families or those of others as well? If you are not prepared to have children then do not have any - simple.


read it properly, he does pay his way, the way your opinion sounds is revoltingly offensive and makes it sound like he doesnt pay anything.

he is a decient person and he does pay his way!


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I think this guy should be respected.He is saying what is right.I like his posts maybe some dont.But i respect this member,Its xmas lets be a bit nice.

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You let him speak for himself, I mean, who are you to attempt to stifle free speech???????

I understood that this was a forum for the opinions of members, so why do I have (in your silly opinion) to keep my opinions to myself? Have I misunderstood, is it only for those who don't want to pay their dues or for their representatives to shout down any who tend to disagree??

I stand by my statement - or do you believe that I and other taxpayers should not only pay for our own families or those of others as well? If you are not prepared to have children then do not have any - simple.


read it properly, he does pay his way, the way your opinion sounds is revoltingly offensive and makes it sound like he doesnt pay anything.

he is a decient person and he does pay his way!


But he doesn't pay his way does he? The csa have asked him for money to care for his kids and he himself said "I can't afford it". You told me to read it properly, perhaps it is you who should do so and leave the poster to speak for himself so that the true facts come out, not your imaginative ones.

Why create a massive argument when you are on the periphery rather than involved?

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first post by op says it all nem12esis and nobody is causing arguments here.

stick to what you do best with your photography.

i have no more to say on the matter.

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