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people should look over all the facts before declaring trfc are doing wrong,the club is doing its best to survive and put something back into a community that it already serves so well!there are negative people trying to undermine the club using any underhand tactics they can,their lies and exagerations have already made them look silly in the local rag!

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Originally Posted by dave_g
people should look over all the facts before declaring trfc are doing wrong,the club is doing its best to survive and put something back into a community that it already serves so well!there are negative people trying to undermine the club using any underhand tactics they can,their lies and exagerations have already made them look silly in the local rag!
Just out of interest, as an impartial observer,how do Tranmere Rovers serve the community?

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we dont pay council tax for those employed by such to justify its actions on wiki


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I don't live local anymore, but im proud to support Tranmere as it's the team of my home town. Perhaps if enough from the Wirral supported their local team rather than purporting to support the big boys from over the water (tunnel rats watching match of the day) then the club wouldn't need to sell land to survive. My son was born in Germany (i was in the army) and now we live down south he has chosen his local team to support (Aldershot) rather than a big boy like Chelsea. I'm so proud of him for that. I have respect for those supporting their local team, no matter how poor they may be. To the tunnel rats on here, remember that Tranmere is your home team. You may not want to support them, but why spite them just when they have a chance of achieving something good. The memorial will still be a memorial no matter where the plaque is. Tranmere is regenerating Woodchurch and the council got a lot more for the sponsorshp than the money they put in. Thats what sponsorship means. It wasn't a gift! Thank goodness educated people understand these things!


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As a former pupil of the Institute and having played at Ingleborough I would obviously have a slight bias to keep the place as a field. My 2 main objections would be the councils willingness to over turn a legal covenant for money and the loss of a green space.. You cant build new houses on the green fields of posh parts of the wirral so why Prenton? Surely the council have a conflict of interest having funded TRFC for so many years.Can you imagine the uproar if the footy pitches in Birkenhead Park were to be housed over. A few dead soldiers dont really matter--as we can see by how our Govt expend them in foreign lands for naf all


Fish, a plaque, a tree, a field, a memorial, what difference? The important thing is that the place represents the fallen.


its the convenience of moving such to make money, or dont you understand that pal


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people should look over all the facts before declaring trfc are doing wrong,the club is doing its best to survive and put something back into a community that it already serves so well!there are negative people trying to undermine the club using any underhand tactics they can,their lies and exagerations have already made them look silly in the local rag!
Just out of interest, as an impartial observer,how do Tranmere Rovers serve the community?


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Originally Posted by ludwigvan
Just out of interest, as an impartial observer,how do Tranmere Rovers serve the community?


Topical question ludwigvan......


http://www.tranmererovers.co.uk/news/article/tric-270313-736147.aspx


Hope that helps?


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Tranmere rovers blowing their own trumpet, hows that helping the community,all they are doing is bumming money off everbody the NHS,WBC and no doubt money from some other organisation, how much do they charge kids to kick a ball is it £30.0.0 more like help themselves.

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Originally Posted by casper
Tranmere rovers blowing their own trumpet, hows that helping the community,all they are doing is bumming money off everbody the NHS,WBC and no doubt money from some other organisation, how much do they charge kids to kick a ball is it £30.0.0 more like help themselves.


Your hostility to Tranmere Rovers seemingly knows no bounds casper, which I would suggest reflects poorly on your sense of objectivity. Can you not even see fit to give credit where its due, or does that perhaps not suit your agenda, whatever that may be, because clearly you do have one?

Your not a plastic are you? wink

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Not at all just pointing out that for all the hype about being a community club (we do this that and the other)the base line is that they are a business who's prime objective is to make money, nothing wrong with that by the way thats what business is about but dont hide the fact by representing itself as a benefactor of the community,the cold hard facts are the Ingleborough issue is soley about greed and money no community thought no sentiment.

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Originally Posted by casper
Not at all just pointing out that for all the hype about being a community club (we do this that and the other)the base line is that they are a business who's prime objective is to make money, nothing wrong with that by the way thats what business is about but dont hide the fact by representing itself as a benefactor of the community,the cold hard facts are the Ingleborough issue is soley about greed and money no community thought no sentiment.


Again, that's your opinion casper, presumably coloured by your agenda, but many others, including myself, have a different view.

The whole Ingleborough controversy has always been a debatable point, but no one side of the debate can justly claim the moral high ground or superior ethics. It comes down to opinion at the end of the day, but the condemnation of any opposing view by one side of the argument is arrogant & unnecessary, in my opinion anyway.

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Lets have a simple quick look at morality and ethics:
Ingleborough Field bought by donations and public suscriptions an open green space and memorial park for the use of the community and as a sports field and a lasting memorial to the ultimate sacrifice V bought for a song and currently owned by tranmere fc plc, locked not available to the public, due to be sold for an alleged £5 million profit to build houses on that probably no one can afford , the money being used to protect a business from failure or debt, looks a bit bleak for tranmere on the morality side dont you think?

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Lets have a simple quick look at morality and ethics:
Ingleborough Field bought by donations and public suscriptions an open green space and memorial park for the use of the community and as a sports field and a lasting memorial to the ultimate sacrifice V bought for a song and currently owned by tranmere fc plc, locked not available to the public, due to be sold for an alleged £5 million profit to build houses on that probably no one can afford , the money being used to protect a business from failure or debt, looks a bit bleak for tranmere on the morality side dont you think?



Not necessarily caper, as a lot of what you have said there is opinion and your own interpretation.

Incidentally, as far as I am aware, even when the fields were owned by BI, they were locked and not accessible to the general public, but that aside, how do you know what people probably could or could not afford in terms of buying a house? Do you even know what the asking price is proposed to be, because I dont?

To be honest casper, by all means throw your mud, and who knows, some of it may stick, in which case you will presumably think your presenting of opinion as fact as a job well done?

Personally, I believe that whilst there are legitimate concerns regarding the previous status of Ingleborough Road field, the benefits to be accrued from the proposed facilities to be available to the public at Woodchurch on balance outweigh these concerns, and that The Fallen can continue to be prominently respected and acknowledged as part of the proposed Ingleborough re-development.

That is just my opinion by the way casper, and I don't seek to force it on you, but maybe you would yourself consider distinguishing between your own opinion and fact, or your interpretation of fact?

Morality itself is subjective, which is why I don't seek to claim the moral high ground, but equally, as when all said and done, each of us is capable of making our own moral judgements, whatever they may be, neither, legitimately can you claim the moral high ground.

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There was a tree planted for each of the fallen soldiers I believe paid for by parents of pupils of the BI.
Can anyone tell what trees they are and if they'll be cut down, if so, would there be anything that could be made from them, benches etc with the name of a soldier put on it.

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