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#769621 - 18th Feb 2013 5:10pm Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why
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OK it's a sensational headline, but an interesting article about how integrating Birkenhead and Wallasey with Liverpool, into one city spanning the Mersey, would benefit both parties and to a certain extent is already happening.

http://www.sevenstreets.com/city-living/birkenhead-must-die-seven-reasons-why/

What do the natives think?

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#769650 - 18th Feb 2013 5:41pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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I am a passionate Wirralian but I can see the point being made, I think it is a good idea, I would still tell people I was from Wirral though!!!!

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#769655 - 18th Feb 2013 5:48pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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#769665 - 18th Feb 2013 6:10pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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i say go for it

to people who aren't from round here i would have to explain i'm from the wirral which involves far too many words than "just outside liverpool" or "basically liverpool"

i don't see why people are so het up about distancing themselves from that great city thats a mile or so away, sure we have History over here, that would still be there, but for future ideas, i see the reasons why we should join liverpool and i wholeheartedly back those ideas.

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#769683 - 18th Feb 2013 6:27pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: j_demo]
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Originally Posted By: j_demo

to people who aren't from round here i would have to explain i'm from the wirral which involves far too many words than "just outside liverpool" or "basically liverpool"

I've had that conversation many times.

Where are you from?
Birkenhead.
Where's that then?
On the river Mersey.
Isn't that, erm...?
Liverpool.
Liverpool! Of course! Ey, ey, calm down, calm down!
You are original and hilarious, now please go away.

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#769686 - 18th Feb 2013 6:30pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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Birkenhead died because it was forced into a marriage with Wallasey both worked well as separate entities, as far as Liverpool is concerned 1000 meters or 10000 meters, it's a good distance, happily, if we get forced to be part of Liverpool then no money will be norm, just like all the new buses and ferry boats we had in 1974 anything we have left on this side of the water will be asset stripped for Liverpool, my answer is not a cat in hells chance, one of the best things the Post Office did was to take away the Liverpool Post Code and give us a Chester one.

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#769703 - 18th Feb 2013 6:52pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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In the short time i have been a member this has the making of a great post.
I am just printing the story to read before making a comment
agree 1974 was a turning point.


Edited by saltytom (18th Feb 2013 6:55pm)

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#769706 - 18th Feb 2013 6:55pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: davew3]
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Originally Posted By: davew3
Birkenhead died because it was forced into a marriage with Wallasey both worked well as separate entities, as far as Liverpool is concerned 1000 meters or 10000 meters, it's a good distance, happily, if we get forced to be part of Liverpool then no money will be norm, just like all the new buses and ferry boats we had in 1974 anything we have left on this side of the water will be asset stripped for Liverpool, my answer is not a cat in hells chance, one of the best things the Post Office did was to take away the Liverpool Post Code and give us a Chester one.


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#769711 - 18th Feb 2013 7:04pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: davew3]
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Originally Posted By: davew3
Birkenhead died because it was forced into a marriage with Wallasey both worked well as separate entities, as far as Liverpool is concerned 1000 meters or 10000 meters, it's a good distance, happily, if we get forced to be part of Liverpool then no money will be norm, just like all the new buses and ferry boats we had in 1974 anything we have left on this side of the water will be asset stripped for Liverpool, my answer is not a cat in hells chance, one of the best things the Post Office did was to take away the Liverpool Post Code and give us a Chester one.


Agreed. Where in many respects it seems a good idea there would however more likely to be an increase in council tax to match the Liverpool rates. Car insurance and house insurance would, no doubt increase if the posrcodes changed again and possibly rented property prices would also increase. To name a few possibilities. This has been on the cards for the last ten years and once they have all done a deal, they will no doubt make an announcement. The last government had already come up with an idea to join Wallasey and Kirkdale for voting purposes. There are so many issues surrounding such a venture. I think WMBC have fewer employees than mentioned in article, more like 7/8000 .


Edited by granny (18th Feb 2013 7:13pm)
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#769719 - 18th Feb 2013 7:16pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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As an exiled Mancunian living on the Wirral - no thanks! You really want a Liverpool post code and all the insurance hikes that come with it???

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#769732 - 18th Feb 2013 7:43pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: _Ste_]
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Originally Posted By: _Ste_
No thanks.
Agreed

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#769734 - 18th Feb 2013 7:47pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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In theory it sounds a good idea. However, it could rely on wholesale structural reorganisation. It is about ensuring services are consistently well-designed and delivered by the right people to the right people but could end up becoming a closer service integration where this may not improve outcomes for local people and not ensure longer term financial sustainability. At the end of the day, where will meetings be held - Liverpool, who's jobs will be cut first (besides the fat cat ones) - the Wirral people's. What about the local spending - do you think Liverpool will want small sport centres dotted around the Wirral to be given funding - they believe a lot in privatising. Will David Lloyd invest across here? Our local councillors will be in a no-win situation, just like when they challenged the tunnel fees. Liverpool will only use the Wirral, we will not gain. Keep the CH postcodes!
Where will be go to approach the council on everyday matters - miles away in Liverpool! Its really not feasible for the citizens of the Wirral.


Edited by ponytail (18th Feb 2013 7:49pm)

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#769746 - 18th Feb 2013 8:11pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: ponytail]
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Birkenhead is already dieding this could be a good thing Peel holding have got some good plans for bothside of the river.With there money and both side of the mersey sticking together we can be come a good town and place to live.We could become better then them southern shandy drinkers from london and then mancs from the other side of the M62..May be living in warrington but my heart is still and alway be in Birkenhead


Edited by 2005wireman (18th Feb 2013 8:15pm)

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#769758 - 18th Feb 2013 8:42pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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I just read that article; so many complex issues are raised that I really can't decide what I think about it yet. My instinctive response is that Wirral needs to stay as Wirral, as a distinct entity, but if it means withering away while other areas thrive, then the situation needs looking at. It's hard to imagine what Wirral Waters will mean for the area in the long term, or how after all this time we could join hands across the river in the way that the article suggests.

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#769761 - 18th Feb 2013 8:46pm Re: Birkenhead Must Die: Seven Reasons Why [Re: Shambo]
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In which other major city do you have to pay to cross the river. certainly not in London

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