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Very dangerous society we live in now.Newspapers, talk radio, and any type of social media are stirring up hatred for people on benefits.Please do not carried away by this propaganda.Remember what happened in Germany prior to W.W.2 Neighbour against neighbour. They persecuted the disabled and gassed them. There is a Famous poem, I wish I could find which tells the story of turning away from people and ignoring their plight.Hopefully someone on here knows the poem I am on about and could perhaps share it with us all on here and other social media sites to perhaps make people think before they condemn.I am a novice computer user and a recent Wiki member.

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well said
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The only issues I'd have with the vouchers are:

1 How do I pay my gas/electric/water rates/tax underpayment from when my employer did the tax calculations/my rent & council tax excess etc?

2 How do I pay for the bus to get to the shops to buy food & pay for the taxi to get back (hard to carry shopping bags when you need your arms to use crutches/stick/wheelchair) or buy online so you don't have to (in my case) take 10mgs of morphine to go shopping & another 10mgs when I get home (then not be able to walk the next day).

3 How do I pay for the bus to get to hospital appointments/physio etc?

4 How much abuse will I get from the members of the public that will see me as a scrounger & second class citizen? It will be like school dinner tokens in the 80's.

5 Will ALL food shops have to accept them? What if your bill comes to less/more than your vouchers?

6 Will they only be for food? If so, what will ladies have to do about buying tampons/towels etc? Will there be a separate voucher for nappies? How am I meant to pay for toilet rolls, cleaning products, a whole other host of necessities such as clothes?

I'm sure there would be a fair few more questions about them if I really sat & thought about it.

I agree that they shouldn't be used for nights out, alcohol, drugs etc but I can't see vouchers being the way to stop that.

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Originally Posted by valli
There is a Famous poem, I wish I could find which tells the story of turning away from people and ignoring their


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Originally Posted by Salmon
Originally Posted by valli
There is a Famous poem, I wish I could find which tells the story of turning away from people and ignoring their


First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.



I was thinking about this before and seriously its better to live in ignorance than fear...


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Thanks for renaming the Topic of this thread Mark.

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Anyone in prison or know's anyone in prison due to be released soon should read this

legislation.gov.uk
ISBN 978-0-11-153193-8PART 2Restrictions on entitlementRestrictions on entitlement – prisoners etc.Regulation 19Table of ContentsContentDraft Explanatory Memorandum
Legislation:This is a draft item of legislation and has not yet been made as a UK Statutory Instrument. Restrictions on entitlement – prisoners etc.19.—(1) Entitlement to universal credit does not arise where a person is—
(a)a member of a religious order who is fully maintained by their order;
(b)a prisoner; or
(c)serving a sentence of imprisonment detained in hospital.
(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply during the first 6 months when the person is a prisoner where—
(a)the person was entitled to universal credit immediately before becoming a prisoner, and the calculation of their award included an amount for the housing costs element; and
(b)the person has not been sentenced to a term in custody that is expected to extend beyond that 6 months.
(3) In the case of a prisoner to whom paragraph (2) applies, an award of universal credit is not to include any element other than the housing costs element.
(4) In paragraph (1)(c) a person serving a sentence of imprisonment detained in hospital is a person who is—
(a)being detained—
(i)under section 45A or 47 of the Mental Health Act 1983(1) (power of higher courts to direct hospital admission; removal to hospital of persons serving sentence of imprisonment etc), and
(ii)before the day which the Secretary of State certifies to be that person’s release date within the meaning of section 50(3) of that Act (in any case where there is such a release date); or
(b)being detained under—
(i)section 59A of the Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995(2) (hospital direction), or
(ii)section 136 of the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003(3) (transfer of prisoners for treatment of mental disorder).
(1)1983 c.20. Section 45A was inserted by section 45A was inserted by section 46 of the Crime (Sentences) Act 1997.
(2)1995 c.46. Section 59A was inserted by section 133 of the Mental Health (Care and Treatment) (Scotland) Act 2003.
(3)2003 asp13.


or click this>http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2013/9780111531938/regulation/19

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The Workers cry "We cannot tolerate the unemployed and foreighners bleeding the country dry"

The Unemployed cry " We cannot tolerate the foreighners bleeding the country dry"

The Government crys "Keep blaming each other whilst we bleed the country dry, you fools"!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Grandpa_George
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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
The Workers cry "We cannot tolerate the unemployed and foreighners bleeding the country dry"

The Unemployed cry " We cannot tolerate the foreighners bleeding the country dry"

The Government crys "Keep blaming each other whilst we bleed the country dry, you fools"!!!!!!


withthat So very, very true!!

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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
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Thanks for renaming the Topic of this thread Mark.
raftl raftl


offtopic

Troll alert! So sad.

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Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
The Workers cry "We cannot tolerate the unemployed and foreighners bleeding the country dry"

The Unemployed cry " We cannot tolerate the foreighners bleeding the country dry"

The Government crys "Keep blaming each other whilst we bleed the country dry, you fools"!!!!!!


Which one are you?

There are a lot of unemployed people who are actively trying to find work and deserve all the help they can get, while there are others who spend most of there time sat at a laptop fag in one hand vodka and coke in the other, moaning they don't get enough benefit. I worked all my life and am very proud of that. If I had been unfortunate enough to have ended up unemployed then of course I would have been grateful for any help I could get from the benefits, I know it is very hard times out there and we should support those who are out of work through no fault of there own and who are actively trying to find work. As for foreigners working in this country, I see no wrong in this as long as it helps the economy, its the foreigners who send the money out of the country and claim benefits for their families who don't even live in this country, that makes my blood boil.

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George I agree with what you have just posted. I am sick to death of people knocking the unemployed, disabled and foreigners. There will always be people who abuse the system but in a civilised country there should be support and a safety net for those in need.


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Salmon it is attributed to Pastor Martin Miemoller. Google his name, or 'First they came' and you will find plenty of links and information.

You might wish to also Google or check the following link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/source/biography/Kolbe.html to read about Maximilian Kolbe a prisoner in Auschwitz,who volunteered to die in the place of a stranger

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Originally Posted by Grandpa_George
Originally Posted by RUDEBOX
Originally Posted by Grandpa_George
Thanks for renaming the Topic of this thread Mark.
raftl raftl


offtopic

Troll alert! So sad.


how is this a troll alert?

if you look it looks like (this topic is called Mark now)

your quote "Thanks for renaming the Topic of this thread Mark."

not "Thanks for renaming the Topic of this thread, Mark.

anyway back to topic smile

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Sorry typo- Surname Niemoller is correct

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