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#737853 - 28th Oct 2012 2:35pm Cloning a sim card
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Does anyone know if it is possible to clone a sim card so both phones receive calls txt's email etc I need to get a smaller phone to use in work and dont want to keep having to swap sim cards over.

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#737858 - 28th Oct 2012 2:56pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: baldybrewer]
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sadly not any more, well you can but if you get found out your provider won't be happy to say the least wink

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#737915 - 28th Oct 2012 6:22pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: baldybrewer]
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So it is possible then?

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#737940 - 28th Oct 2012 6:58pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: baldybrewer]
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thought there was a insect on my screen theen just been flicking at it to kill it haha

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#737959 - 28th Oct 2012 7:26pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: baldybrewer]
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Haha ....I did exactly the same !!! smile

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#738076 - 29th Oct 2012 6:45am Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: baldybrewer]
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Originally Posted By: baldybrewer
So it is possible then?

Theoretically it possible to clone modern SIM cards, but practically it is impossible. (http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/SIM-Card-Cloning-UK-Networks?ugid=10000000002358826)

Originally Posted By: baldybrewer
Does anyone know if it is possible to clone a sim card so both phones receive calls txt's email etc I need to get a smaller phone to use in work and dont want to keep having to swap sim cards over.


A different approach may be obviously dependent on what phone you have to set up calls to be diverted if not answered to your smaller phone ( although you might have to pay the diversion cost) and emails can be set-up to be received on any phone. Forwarding txt messages is more problematic, but if you have an Android phone there are a couple of apps on Google Play that suggest they will forward txt messages for you.

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#738148 - 29th Oct 2012 10:32am Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: baldybrewer]
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have a look on ebay for a dual sim phone. i have one and have cards from 2 differant service providers in it. but open at the same time

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#738167 - 29th Oct 2012 12:01pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: baldybrewer]
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tbh i thought it was illegal... shows what i know

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#738604 - 30th Oct 2012 5:08pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: j_demo]
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Originally Posted By: jawide
tbh i thought it was illegal... shows what i know


unless sim cloning is illegal and we are wrong, I think you probably have that confused with the changing of IMEI number, now I know that IS illegal.

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#738649 - 30th Oct 2012 7:20pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: EvilCycle]
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Originally Posted By: EvilCycle
Originally Posted By: jawide
tbh i thought it was illegal... shows what i know


unless sim cloning is illegal and we are wrong, I think you probably have that confused with the changing of IMEI number, now I know that IS illegal.


Changing the IMEI is illegal, and can get you up to FIVE YEARS bed & breakfast.

We get people in almost on a daily basis asking us to do it (no) telling us that they won't tell anyone (I don't care) and that xyz does it (which kind of kills your "won't tell anyone" argument). A lot of modern phone can't physically have their number changed anyway, even if you wanted to.

Cloning a sim is legal, however any sim issued since about 2001 you won't be able to do it with, unless you hit lucky (more chance of winning the lottery)

SIM cards all have their own individual identity number, when you connect to the network this broadcast and the network knows which phone number this identity has. The number isn't a secret, it's written on your SIM card most of the time.

Each SIM also has a Ki, it's like another code, and this is programmed into the SIM.

On the old SIMs you could pretty much ask the SIM what it was and it would tell you, later ones you needed to brute force attack it to try every combination, these days the card gives you a few attempts, then shuts down killing the SIM, and without knowing the Ki, you can't clone the SIM.

The adverts on eBay are VERY misleading, but if you read them VERY carefully they are mainly accurate. They say that they can clone all the contacts and messages from a SIM (so that's a backup them) whilst others say that they can duplicate your actual card (small print later on says this doesn't work for all SIMs, basically any issued in the last 11 years).

Dual Sim phones are something else, there are basically two types, the cheapo copy ones that spend half their working life in Chinese, and the ones made by companies you know such as Nokia and Samsung.

They basically hold two SIMs, have two numbers running at the same time, the phone has two IMEI numbers and you can set them up in all sorts of ways for different tones for each number etc. Useful if you have a work number and a personal one but don't want to carry two phones with you. (Prices start at around 20 for a branded one)

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#738650 - 30th Oct 2012 7:22pm Re: Cloning a sim card [Re: EvilCycle]
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Originally Posted By: EvilCycle
Originally Posted By: jawide
tbh i thought it was illegal... shows what i know


unless sim cloning is illegal and we are wrong, I think you probably have that confused with the changing of IMEI number, now I know that IS illegal.


Forgot to add that cloning a sim card (and changing the IMEI numbers of a device) are both illegal without written permission of the manufacturer.

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