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#723533 - 10th Sep 2012 2:45pm Tell the Council 'What Really Matters'
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Wirral Council is aksing local people to decide 'What Really Matters' as it faces around 100m of cuts to its funding from central government over the next three years.

Have your say by answering the survey.

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#723637 - 10th Sep 2012 7:03pm Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Happyjim]
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It's an old trick. Later on when they cut to the bone, and people object they will say "it's what the people asked for".

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#723653 - 10th Sep 2012 7:36pm Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Helles]
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Originally Posted By: Helles
It's an old trick. Later on when they cut to the bone, and people object they will say "it's what the people asked for".


Almost certainly Helles. Is it 100m of cuts or are they trying to make 100m of savings? Maybe they could ask other Councils what they have done. e.g.

http://www.suffolkcoastal.gov.uk/assets/...ilTax201213.pdf

Peninsular,port/docks, tourism, parks, gardens and trees kept in lovely order.theatres, all the same things and more, to be looked after.
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#723739 - 11th Sep 2012 12:07am Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Happyjim]
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Leader of the council, Cllr Phil Davies, said: 'The scale of the savings we are being forced to make is greater than anything we have faced before. 'We have no choice but to become a different council and this is going to mean radical and rapid change, making sure that our remaining budget is carefully targeted at our residents' main priorities. 'We need to know what services matter the most to people and their families so that we can make sure that we spend our reduced budget on the right things.'

The questionnaire, along with a video explaining the consultation, can also be found online, at www.wirral.gov.uk/whatreallymatters.

Hard copies are also available from any council One Stop Shop, Library, Leisure Centre or Children's Centre.

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#723744 - 11th Sep 2012 12:38am Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Happyjim]
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Whilst we still have one stop shops, libraries and childrens centres etc......
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#723745 - 11th Sep 2012 12:40am Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Happyjim]
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I actually find it worrying that the people we vote for are asking us how to do their job . . . or have I got that wrong?

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#723754 - 11th Sep 2012 1:43am Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: dizdazdoz]
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Originally Posted By: dizdazdoz
I actually find it worrying that the people we vote for are asking us how to do their job . . . or have I got that wrong?


Reckon you've hit the nail on the head but it would appear that they want the positions. Spending a fortune in time energy and cash to get them, although they don't know what to do once they arrive. Amazing!

Maybe that's a bit harsh?
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#723775 - 11th Sep 2012 8:32am Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: granny]
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I don't find it worrying at all that voted representatives wish to hear the views of the people they represent.
I welcome it and at the end of the day if they say that's what the people wanted, then they would be correct.
I don't expect anyone I've voted for to have all the answers to all the questions and by asking peoples opinions gives them a chance to take part in a democratic process that most leave after polling day.
In my view more opinions should be sought, instead of elected officials thinking they have a free hand to do as they wish.
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#723785 - 11th Sep 2012 8:57am Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: bert1]
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They know better than us slobs or so they tell us, if they can't do the job then call a local election, after all they do get "expenses",you can only put so many traffic lights and re-mark the roads and new 50mph signs in.

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#723963 - 11th Sep 2012 8:24pm Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Happyjim]
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Council cuts yet can afford to pay 125000 a year to continue to sponsor Tranmere, we the tax payers are paying for this- no other council does this, personally I'd rather have the bins emptied on a weekly basis. This started in 1988 So that's got to be a couple of million of council tax money wasted how many library's and swimming pools would this save

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#724011 - 11th Sep 2012 10:23pm Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: bert1]
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Originally Posted By: bert1
I don't find it worrying at all that voted representatives wish to hear the views of the people they represent.
I welcome it and at the end of the day if they say that's what the people wanted, then they would be correct.
I don't expect anyone I've voted for to have all the answers to all the questions and by asking peoples opinions gives them a chance to take part in a democratic process that most leave after polling day.
In my view more opinions should be sought, instead of elected officials thinking they have a free hand to do as they wish.


withthat We elect them because we trust that they'll represent our opinions. So if they need to vote on something then surely they're doing the right thing by asking us what we think?

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#724024 - 11th Sep 2012 10:44pm Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Zubee]
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Right, but they have had these surveys before, so assumably they don't really carry much weight.
The council should look a little closer to home for money saving projects.If the council can offer EVR (early voluntary retirement) to people who meet the necessary criteria at the time on condition that the post is no longer a valid position. Why then ,allow someone else to do the same job and re-employ the person who benefited from EVR, in another positiion?
The departments are not in unison.(and I don't mean the trade union)

N.B. The next option will possibly be joining forces with Merseyside Councils..Just a thought

Also I wonder how much the Ladies Golf, which starts on the 13th Sept. is costing this time? We have not heard very much about that so far.It's great to have these events here but last time it was not very beneficial to many of the local shops etc as everything was provided on site by big companies.


Edited by granny (11th Sep 2012 10:54pm)
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#724049 - 11th Sep 2012 11:34pm Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: granny]
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Originally Posted By: granny
Right, but they have had these surveys before, so assumably they don't really carry much weight.
The council should look a little closer to home for money saving projects.If the council can offer EVR (early voluntary retirement) to people who meet the necessary criteria at the time on condition that the post is no longer a valid position. Why then ,allow someone else to do the same job and re-employ the person who benefited from EVR, in another positiion?
The departments are not in unison.(and I don't mean the trade union)

N.B. The next option will possibly be joining forces with Merseyside Councils..Just a thought

Also I wonder how much the Ladies Golf, which starts on the 13th Sept. is costing this time? We have not heard very much about that so far.It's great to have these events here but last time it was not very beneficial to many of the local shops etc as everything was provided on site by big companies.



I will second this well staed comment, took the words right out of my mouth.

I'll have to keep an eye on this one.

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#724051 - 11th Sep 2012 11:37pm Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Happyjim]
joalex
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well stated comment that is.

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#724087 - 12th Sep 2012 8:23am Re: Tell the Council 'What Really Matters' [Re: Happyjim]
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And another thing!

Had the last Labour Government not introduced the Job Evaluation scheme to spread it's wings across the U.K., maybe half the councils around the country would not be struggling.
When every job was evaluated,starting 2007 and taking approx 4yrs, a few lost out but most were given a higher banding (a pay increase) plus,up to 5 years backpay(lump sum). Now their concern is how to pay the wages/salaries, and how all the pensions are going to be afforded.
One wonders how much in total that must have cost, including consultancies etc.Jobs for the boys, which backfired a bit.(n my opinion)



Edited by granny (12th Sep 2012 8:26am)
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