Our Success is in our members who value our strength as a valued community.
Forum Statistics
Posts1,029,081
Topics75,698
Members13,576
Forums65
Posts in last 24hrs8
Most Online14,906
Nov 23rd, 2019
Who's Online Now
29 registered members (Alex_Macmillan, 9 invisible), 1,186 guests, and203 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Social Media : Follow Us


Popular Topics(Views 7days)
New General Forums
Wild West (Leasowe)
by GaryFromWirral. 23rd Nov 2020 6:44pm
Sony PlayStation 5 sales
by _Ste_. 21st Nov 2020 9:46am
Ebay fraudsters
by _Ste_. 16th Nov 2020 12:23pm
Dominic Goings
by casper. 14th Nov 2020 9:48am
New Wirral History
Fairs Cameras - Bebington
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Nov 2020 4:08pm
Wirral Home Guard
by bridekirk. 12th Nov 2020 10:34pm
Genealogical Research - Macmillan
by Alex_Macmillan. 10th Oct 2020 11:57am
Outdoor swimming pools
by mikeeb. 30th Jun 2020 4:26pm
122 Wirral Hotel 97 Cleveland Street Russell St
by derekdwc. 4th Jul 2014 9:34pm
Forum Tips
Photo Gallery Forums
Boaty McBoatface takes shape
The gathering storm: Mersey waterfront today
Topic Replies
Tier 2 after lockdown
by diggingdeeper. 26th Nov 2020 12:58pm
MP's pay rise
by diggingdeeper. 26th Nov 2020 12:53pm
Gladstone Theatre Vandalised
by mikeeb. 26th Nov 2020 10:46am
Fairs Cameras - Bebington
by Excoriator. 26th Nov 2020 9:50am
Award for Corbyn ???
by diggingdeeper. 26th Nov 2020 1:30am
PS4 PRO 1TB 4K BOXED WITH PT SILENT HILLS
by _Ste_. 25th Nov 2020 4:58pm
Brexit Transition
by diggingdeeper. 25th Nov 2020 2:38pm
Rockferry high school fire
by cools. 24th Nov 2020 8:58pm
Oxton Flats
by AndyT. 24th Nov 2020 12:09pm
November
M T W T F S S
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30
Recent Posts : What's On ?
View Ranger
by mikeeb. 24th Nov 2020 10:42am
Pontins Southport
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 1:13pm
Previous Topic
Next Topic
Print Topic
Rate Topic
Page 1 of 2 1 2
websites could be forced to identify trolls #700941
12th Jun 2012 7:43am
12th Jun 2012 7:43am
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,233
Wirral
Mark Offline OP

Wiki Master
Mark  Offline OP

Wiki Master
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 21,233
Wirral
www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18404621

Websites will soon to be forced to identify people who have posted defamatory messages online.

New government proposals say victims have a right to know who is behind malicious messages without the need for costly legal battles.

The powers will be balanced by measures to prevent false claims in order to get material removed.

Last week, a British woman won a court order forcing Facebook to identify users who had harassed her.
. . . . .


Im all for reveling who is who to the authorities. As it can clash with the data protection act at a individual level.

Personally, if the authorities asked for information I wouldnt hessitate to help fully.


My Avatar images are all from the Wirral Gallery.Click Me
Wow Wirral History is coming along Great! Wirral History

we get +200 new members a month now smile
Google Ads
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #700966
12th Jun 2012 9:48am
12th Jun 2012 9:48am
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,354
Wirral
Nelzy84 Offline
Forum Guardian
Nelzy84  Offline
Forum Guardian
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,354
Wirral
Great idea IMO

You wouldn't stand for it in the "real world"

Should name and shame them and would make think people think twice before trolling etc.


[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Nelzy84] #700968
12th Jun 2012 10:02am
12th Jun 2012 10:02am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
Good News!
Too much bullying going on at every level now. The thought of it will work wonders, as bullies are usually cowards too!



Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #701059
12th Jun 2012 4:40pm
12th Jun 2012 4:40pm

P
Pinzgauer
Unregistered
Pinzgauer
Unregistered
P


Excellent news. About time too !

Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #701151
13th Jun 2012 12:58am
13th Jun 2012 12:58am
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,397
different one and love it
Lightning Offline
Forum Master
Lightning  Offline
Forum Master
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 2,397
different one and love it
Great news as its a way to get things straight , well done good news x


Confidence is feeling satisfied with who and what we are.



Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #701169
13th Jun 2012 6:08am
13th Jun 2012 6:08am
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 50
Dorset
W
Wally Offline
Member
Wally  Offline
Member
W
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 50
Dorset
It's like most things in this country - they can bring back hanging if they like but if no one polices it then no charges can be made and the law becaomes an ass.
In my opinion all that will happen is people will cry wolf and enjoy being the victim and the real problem will get get buried under piles of folks hiding behind the nanny state.

Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #701226
13th Jun 2012 10:19am
13th Jun 2012 10:19am
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,620
Second Circle of Hell.
Wench Offline

H4H County Volunteer
Wench  Offline

H4H County Volunteer
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,620
Second Circle of Hell.
I'm split on this. Part of me thinks it's a good thing for GENUINE cases, but there's another part of me that thinks that some are too quick to cry "cyber bullying" or "trolling".

Nobody forces people to go on sites like Farcebook, Twitter & Forums etc. It's the internet, you need a somewhat thick skin & the ability to realise that it's words on a screen! If you can't handle the fact that not everybody will like "you", the persona you portray or what you write, then there is a logical answer - turn off the computer/laptop/internet!!

You don't have to sit & argue with people - there is an off button!!

For the GENUINE cases, the answer is pretty much the same IMO. IF it spills into the "real world" and results in assaults/stalking/fear etc then that's a different matter. If all you are being subjected to is words on a screen then delete your Farcebook etc, go under another name or stay off it alltogether. It's not rocket science.

JMPO & not aimed at anyone in particular just in case someone gets the hump over it smile


Sometimes Police Officers give more than just speeding tickets!

It�s hard to be fit as a fiddle when you�re shaped like a cello!
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #701253
13th Jun 2012 1:27pm
13th Jun 2012 1:27pm
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,151
Birkenhead
derekdwc Online content
Forum Veteran
derekdwc  Online Content
Forum Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,151
Birkenhead
I agree with Wench
but
also off www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18404621


"It will be very important to ensure that these measures do not inadvertently expose genuine whistleblowers, and we are committed to getting the detail right to minimise this risk."

Could also be another step towards Big Brother policing the internet and controlling what content can be published on it.


hmmm! methinks there might come a day when you'll have to have a licence(like the tv licence)or similar to be able to go on the internet - all in protecting your best interests of course

Last edited by derekdwc; 13th Jun 2012 1:28pm.
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: derekdwc] #701265
13th Jun 2012 2:56pm
13th Jun 2012 2:56pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
Thick skin needed? Maybe for the likes of a lot of us, but how about those who are vulnerable like disability groups? Those who are emotionally susceptible, school children who also have to face it the next day in classroom. There are many school children bullied in this way resulting in suicides.
How sad it is, that people can't see the wider picture and who it can affect apart from themselves.
Bullying makes the world a very lonely place to be in and to expect kids not to use the internet, when all they've been taught to do, is to use the internet, is not possible.
Imagine being bullied at school, coming home and going on the internet looking for a friend to talk to, only to find they are all taking about you in not a nice way. To actually switch off, just like that is asking the impossible from a teenager etc. It goes very deep and as adults we should understand and be a supportive part of anything which will protect our children and families.It has to start somewhere.
If it happened to one of yours, whatever age, I think you would not like it and could cause you untold grief.
If Big Brother intercedes in our lives in yet one more way, it's not going to make much difference as we are followed,watched and tracked already. Who gives a monkeys anymore?
If there is one thing that I detest, it is bullying particularly from faceless people. It destroys lives. mad and I've got the hump!

Last edited by granny; 13th Jun 2012 2:59pm.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: granny] #701427
13th Jun 2012 10:49pm
13th Jun 2012 10:49pm
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
There is a report on this tomorrow night: Thursday 14th. June on Channel 4 news at 7pm.

Might be interesting for us.


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #701461
14th Jun 2012 7:41am
14th Jun 2012 7:41am
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 578
wirral
ponytail Offline
Smartchild
ponytail  Offline
Smartchild
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 578
wirral
So, Facebook did not act on the person's behalf when they must have reported the posts which brought this case to court. Facebook then allowed this type of behaviour to continue via their website - should they not be prosecuted in some form?
As to the tracing of an IP address - I know you can trace to a town/city - but to an actual address?
The joys of social networking. The person should have set up their account and settings a bit better, minimising the use of trolling by others.
Does this mean that you can prosecute someone who puts posts onto someone else's facebook page about you, that you can also act and prosecute, even though the posts was not on your own Facebook page?

Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: granny] #701769
15th Jun 2012 7:11am
15th Jun 2012 7:11am
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,620
Second Circle of Hell.
Wench Offline

H4H County Volunteer
Wench  Offline

H4H County Volunteer
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,620
Second Circle of Hell.
Originally Posted by granny
Stuff


Hence I said about GENUINE cases smile


Sometimes Police Officers give more than just speeding tickets!

It�s hard to be fit as a fiddle when you�re shaped like a cello!
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Wench] #701781
15th Jun 2012 7:34am
15th Jun 2012 7:34am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
Originally Posted by Wench
Originally Posted by granny
Stuff


Hence I said about GENUINE cases smile


So who should decide what is a genuine case and what is not, and how long would it take to decide? In the meantime kids would be suffering. You know as well as I do Wench, that nothing is rushed in this country. smile

Last edited by granny; 15th Jun 2012 7:34am.

Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Mark] #701787
15th Jun 2012 7:58am
15th Jun 2012 7:58am
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,620
Second Circle of Hell.
Wench Offline

H4H County Volunteer
Wench  Offline

H4H County Volunteer
Wiki Veteran
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 8,620
Second Circle of Hell.
I have no idea! If anyone's being bullied at school, they should be speaking to their teachers in the first instance anyway (I'm a fine one to talk, I didn't tell my Mum about the bullying at school until 24yrs AFTER it ended).

It's not like it used to be - it's much more high profile now and things are done about it. It wasn't back then, it was a case of shut up & put up.

There will always be bullying - I got it because I'm a GWAR, fat, wore glasses, had an "old" Dad (not that it bothered me as he was the best Dad in the History of the entire universe in my eyes), he had a prosthetic leg, I wasn't fashionable (nothing changed there then)... you get the idea.

The only things rushed in this country are things that affect the "Old Boys Network" (I'm not starting on Tom Winsor as I need to go & get my BP checked and it will drive it sky high).


Sometimes Police Officers give more than just speeding tickets!

It�s hard to be fit as a fiddle when you�re shaped like a cello!
Re: websites could be forced to identify trolls [Re: Wench] #701802
15th Jun 2012 8:33am
15th Jun 2012 8:33am
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
granny Offline
Wiki Master
granny  Offline
Wiki Master
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 17,531
Wirral
According to my information , things have not really changed in schools, as it's not good for the reputation. All to do with point scoring! It's a rather better option to keep it under wraps. So although, it is much more high profile, it's still not being tackled. When the teachers are threatened by the pupils and nothing much can be done about it, what hope for the kids who are intimidated into keeping quiet?

Yes, there was always bullying Wench, to a lesser degree,same as when I was at school. Not so severe I don't think back then, probably more like kids being humiliated and I was not one to be picked on. Even so, I noticed the effects it had on those who were bullied and how it affected their learning skills,confidence etc. I have also seen the effects of it in very recent times on a grown man. Tragic!
I am sorry you became a victm. How did you feel or cope with it? Unfortunately, some of these children cannot escape it wherever they go and I have heard of three suicides in the Merseyside area, due to bullying in less than 12 months. I bet nobody knows where they where, because it's kept quiet!!!


Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect.
~Chief Seattle
Page 1 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Mod 

Random Wirral Images

Click to View Topic.
Newest Topics
Tier 2 after lockdown
by mikeeb. 26th Nov 2020 11:40am
MP's pay rise
by diggingdeeper. 25th Nov 2020 9:34pm
Gladstone Theatre Vandalised
by diggingdeeper. 24th Nov 2020 9:17pm
Oxton Flats
by AndyT. 23rd Nov 2020 6:17pm
Fairs Cameras - Bebington
by diggingdeeper. 23rd Nov 2020 4:08pm
For Sale & Free
PS4 PRO 1TB 4K BOXED WITH PT SILENT HILLS
by _Ste_. 25th Nov 2020 4:58pm
2009 Mini 1.4 First - Full JCW Bodykit
by delta6. 23rd Nov 2020 10:14am
Ps4 Glacier White 500gb
by Peter0787. 20th Nov 2020 6:34pm
CALL OF DUTY
by paul110180. 17th Nov 2020 9:44pm
Ipad 5 Mini 256gb
by Catsick. 14th Nov 2020 2:25pm
Member Spotlight
sunnyside
sunnyside
wirral
Posts: 44,950
Joined: April 2010
Show All Member Profiles 
Newest Members
vicpitcher, Lilycat, AndyT, mac123, TheSock
13576 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
New Wirral Info
Oxton Flats
by AndyT. 23rd Nov 2020 6:17pm
Pontins Southport
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 1:13pm
divorce
by lincle. 15th Nov 2020 10:48am
eBay Complaints
by granny. 6th Nov 2020 11:33am
Wirral’s Rights of Way Map
by mikeeb. 31st Oct 2020 11:09am
News : New Topics
Tier 2 after lockdown
by mikeeb. 26th Nov 2020 11:40am
MP's pay rise
by diggingdeeper. 25th Nov 2020 9:34pm
Gladstone Theatre Vandalised
by diggingdeeper. 24th Nov 2020 9:17pm
Liverpool Airport
by Excoriator. 22nd Nov 2020 5:42pm
Remembrance Sunday
by mikeeb. 8th Nov 2020 9:49am
New Enthusiast Forums
car stupidity
by lincle. 23rd Nov 2020 8:46am
car sales
by lincle. 19th Nov 2020 4:54pm
Ban on sales of petrol and diesel cars and vans.
by mikeeb. 18th Nov 2020 10:50am
cheap kindle books
by derekdwc. 17th Nov 2020 11:06am
Puppy Mills
by granny. 17th Nov 2020 10:44am
Popular Topics(Views 24hrs)
Wirral Sunrise Sunset
Sunrise Fri 8:00am
Sunset Fri 3:59pm
Local Time Fri 7:36am
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.1.1